Amfa Wannabes

[Checking it Out]

You actually think Amfa will win an election?

You are only on first base. In order to go to second you have to have enough valid cards! It's easy to throw in a bunch of cards into center field; to be valid is something else! Hate to break your bubble but Amfa National is miss-leading you in to a false since of security! In 60 to 90 days you will know, if you can go to 2nd or strike out!

Don't count you chickens before there hatched!

 

[Decision 2004]

Build your courage ... revive your reverence for the values of a free society and the virtues of decent people.

We have something worth being brave enough to obtain:

liberty, justice, accountability, and a democratic union.

 

[Thrustfuljet]

It's easy to throw in a bunch of cards into center field;

Guess the twu and AA know first hand about that, they threw in 19,000 eligible names to the NMB.

 

[twuer]

Guess the twu and AA know first hand about that, they threw in 19,000 eligible names to the NMB.

???19,000???

Is this factual Thrustfuljet???? That number seems a bit high. Where did you get your information from, if I may ask?

 

[Decision 2004]

Try 18,698 to be exact!

Protect the toy union, Protect the toy union. At all cost, protect the toy union.

 

[twuer]

Try 18,698 to be exact!

Protect the toy union, Protect the toy union. At all cost, protect the toy union.

That's big Decision. You filed with how many cards?? 9200?? According to my calculations that's not even 50%. You will need over 9300. I guess you are safe if you have that many. That is if all your cards are valid.

If the number the company has is almost 19000 then where did you get your numbers from?? You had what 16,000 or close to it?? That's a huge difference.

The sage continues. . .

 

[Decision 2004]

Our number comes from the NMB website and the TWU "single carrier" filing.

TWU - NMB Filing

How do you explain such an increase in the Mechanic and Related group during two of the worst years in aviation history?

Answer: There is no explanation, and there is no increase. Just another attempt by AA to protect the company union.

You are correct, the lovefest saga continues.

 

[twuer]

Our number comes from the NMB website and the TWU "single carrier" filing.

TWU - NMB Filing

How do you explain such an increase in the Mechanic and Related group during two of the worst years in aviation history?

Answer: There is no explanation, and there is no increase. Just another attempt by AA to protect the company union.

You are correct, the lovefest saga continues.

Forgive me for asking but why would you rely on a list that is 2 years old??

Since the company list numbers are so high now, does that mean that since you don't have 50% there won't be a vote or will you fight the list numbers?? Or do you have 50% anyway??

I'm not privvy to the information you are referring to so I am just asking these questions to find out the facts.

 

[Decision 2004]

Our number comes from the NMB website and the TWU "single carrier" filing.

TWU - NMB Filing

How do you explain such an increase in the Mechanic and Related group during two of the worst years in aviation history?

Answer: There is no explanation, and there is no increase. Just another attempt by AA to protect the company union.

You are correct, the lovefest saga continues.

Forgive me for asking but why would you rely on a list that is 2 years old??

Since the company list numbers are so high now, does that mean that since you don't have 50% there won't be a vote or will you fight the list numbers?? Or do you have 50% anyway??

I'm not privvy to the information you are referring to so I am just asking these questions to find out the facts.

Stay tuned.

We will give you the facts as always.

There is more data to substantiate our numbers. Just be patient and AMFA organizers will give you the facts as they become available.

 

[twuer]

Our number comes from the NMB website and the TWU "single carrier" filing.

TWU - NMB Filing

How do you explain such an increase in the Mechanic and Related group during two of the worst years in aviation history?

Answer: There is no explanation, and there is no increase. Just another attempt by AA to protect the company union.

You are correct, the lovefest saga continues.

Forgive me for asking but why would you rely on a list that is 2 years old??

Since the company list numbers are so high now, does that mean that since you don't have 50% there won't be a vote or will you fight the list numbers?? Or do you have 50% anyway??

I'm not privvy to the information you are referring to so I am just asking these questions to find out the facts.

Stay tuned.

We will give you the facts as always.

There is more data to substantiate our numbers. Just be patient and AMFA organizers will give you the facts as they become available.

Gotcha!!!!

Thanks for responding civily!!

 

[Decision 2004]

Your Welcome,

And ditto to your civil message, and thanks for your interest in what is going on.

Don't you have Local access to the NMB Communications? If no, WHY not?

 

[twuer]

Your Welcome,

And ditto to your civil message, and thanks for your interest in what is going on.

Don't you have Local access to the NMB Communications? If no, WHY not?

My computer is slower than Christmas and doesn't open documents well. I tried to find info on the NMB site but didn't have much luck. I haven't made it to the union hall to see what they have. I guess they would have access to that wouldn't they?

If you don't mind me asking more questions, what was amfa's final card count and how will you increase your numbers?? Sounds pretty cut and dry to me. I don't know the ins and outs of the NMB. Guess I will find out soon enough though.

 

[Decision 2004]

The final card count submitted was more than enough to hold an election.

And we will NOT be able to increase our numbers as the company was poised to file their paperwork which shut-off the card collection. This we anticipated.

Again, we are comfortable with our position and where we are going from here, but we must obvioulsy overcome more than just one opponent.

You are correct on one thing, you and many others will find out soon enough how this all works.

Why your sudden change of demeanor?

 

[twuer]

The final card count submitted was more than enough to hold an election.

And we will NOT be able to increase our numbers as the company was poised to file their paperwork which shut-off the card collection. This we anticipated.

Again, we are comfortable with our position and where we are going from here, but we must obvioulsy overcome more than just one opponent.

You are correct on one thing, you and many others will find out soon enough how this all works.

Why your sudden change of demeanor?

But wasn't your final card count less than 9300? The number you filed with? That's just the number (approx) floating around. If you cannot increase your numbers to match up with the company's to come up with 50% needed to file (at this time) I don't know what it will take to reach the number that you want. I
am a bit confused by it all. The only thing I can think of is some kind of an appeal or something, if they even do that. Like I told you I'm a bit out of the loop when it comes to the "technical" stuff. I have NO idea how the NMB determines what is enough or what even constitues being enough. All I know of it is that the NMB requires 50% plus 1 for an election to be held. The numbers I am going by and by what you said you went by (company list), you don't have 50% plus 1. I've been known to be wrong!!

As for my change of demeanor. . .well let's just say I'm in a good mood today. My good side catches up with me from time to time!!

What about you??? What's your excuse????

 

[Decision 2004]

I am in a good mood because I believe freedom is at hand, I believe that we will be allowed to either give a vote of confidence to the TWU, or change and choose AMFA. We are going to decide our future. We are going to either join and assist an idea of all mechanics in one union to muster a new kind of fight for survival, or we will return to passive and accomodating leadership, with the industry professionals still being used against one another because we fail to unite under one union umbrella.

Yes, AMFA has had set backs, but I still maintain and believe that the IDEA has NOT been tried yet, therefore the setbacks are only temporary, unless we refuse to join the revolution and try the IDEA then am I afraid the IDEA will begin to die with that decision.

Anything less than an AMFA victory will leave us, the AA Mechanics, as the reason the idea could never be attempted.

I am excited about this chance to vote in our future. I am ready to try something new, something we fought for and won, something that will unite the line and overhaul mechanics into one group again. We don't have a "union" today, we have very divided membership and this vote gives us hope that the division will soon end.

That is why I have the demeanor I have.

If you have ever made any gains without taking a risk, please let me know the details.