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AMFA vs Idustrial Unions for elections of National Officers

TWU informer said:
"A group of individuals looking towards a common goal with self serving interests."

Isn't that what every "Union" is?
Do you now freely admit that the Teamsters will take away from the skilled to give to the unskilled?
Is that you point here, brother? Not sure what you are involved here for, but I have NO SHAME in advocating a group of individuals looking towards a common goal with self serving interests. In fact, that is exaclty my goal!

And what do you think every union is about anyway?
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No that is an association. Apparently you do not understand the purpose behind a union, yet you want people to follow you?
 
Anomaly said:
No that is an association. Apparently you do not understand the purpose behind a union, yet you want people to follow you?
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Teach me old wise one.
What exactly is the purpose of a UNION or ASSOCIATION if not a group of individuals looking towards a common goal with self serving interests.
 
Anomaly said:
Who ever said anything about amfa being a trade unionist? As was the case for the majority of SWA mechanics (but not all) they trew seniority out the window in favor of saving their own hides.

I am not sure i would ever even classify amfa as a union, although for the purposes of argument this is what the pretend to be. Amfa is truly an association. A group of individuals looking towards a common goal with self serving interests.
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Like the TWU did to IAM with the AA acquisition?
Can you spell 'staple'?
B) xUT

PS: That's why you 'self declared' unionists crossed the NWA picket line.
Is that you Hurley? :p
 
TWU informer said:
Teach me old wise one.
What exactly is the purpose of a UNION or ASSOCIATION if not a group of individuals looking towards a common goal with self serving interests.
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An association will apparently step on seniority to protect the majority as happened with SWA/ATA.

A union, is an organization of workers who have banded together to achieve common goals such as achieving higher pay, increasing the number of employees an employer hires, and better working conditions for ALL members. A union would not and should not choose majority over seniority.
 
Anomaly said:
An association will apparently step on seniority to protect the majority as happened with SWA/ATA.

A union, is an organization of workers who have banded together to achieve common goals such as achieving higher pay, increasing the number of employees an employer hires, and better working conditions for ALL members. A union would not and should not choose majority over seniority.
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When do you expect the Teamsters to dovetail by DOH the UAL/Continental workers?
 
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Anomaly said:
BS, we will never know if you followed the law. You certainly did side step it.
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Read the law dumb -a$$. It was followed to the "T". Just because everytime you post you get proven wrong, get over it.
 
swamt said:
Read the law dumb -a$$. It was followed to the "T". Just because everytime you post you get proven wrong, get over it.
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NO. You never went to an arbitration. It was settled out. How can you say you followed law?
 
swamt said:
Now here's another great example of a democratic union at work.
There has been some changes at the AMFA National Officers level. Why? Because at AMFA you have the option of voting for all upper, and local officers. Below are the results of the AMFA National Officers Election:

National Officer Election Results - 2012 Sep 10, 2012 - Posted by: Steven Nowak
The votes for the AMFA National Officer Election were tallied on September 10, 2012. TrueBallot Inc. conducted the vote and tally by use of the TeleVote® and WebVote® systems. The results of the election are as follows:
Eligible Voters 2581
Ballots Cast 673 (26.08%)
Assistant National Director
Aaron Hansen (Local 32)
Floyd A. Looney (Local 11)
Abstain/Blank

345
304
24
National Secretary/Treasurer
Justin Madden (Local 18)
Jarod Mills (Local 14)
Robert Wooster (Local 11)
Abstain/Blank

266
151
245
11
National Safety & Standards Director
David A. Brooks (Local 32)
Timothy Cullen (Local 14)
Fred Digne(Local 32)
Abstain/Blank

288
198
146
41
Region II Director
Jack Coonrod(Local 11)
Michael P. Nelson (Local 18)
Abstain/Blank

151
214
2
The following candidates were unopposed and, therefore, their names did not appear on the ballot:
National Director Louie Key (Local 14)
Region I Director Earl Clark (Local 32)

You can goto AMFA's National web site for the results and verification...
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So Houston and Phoenix now run amfa, other than Louie who basically will sit the whole year out as much as possible. It is certainly a lopsided association if you ask me. Notice this monumental change with only 26% votes cast??

With this insignificant result, how can you be sure the right person is selected for the job? It is clear that a couple of stations got together and voted for a few of their friends. But what does that win you? Louie Keys is certainly getting tired of all this and lets say in two months he checks out.... has anyone even heard of Aaron Hansen???? What are his credentials???? Does he know how to open a section 6 for an airline in the middle of bankruptcy procedures?? Does he know the risks?? You amfa lovers better hope so, cause he is your new man (says 345 of you).

We have the same elections with the Teamsters and in fact Hoffa just ran and won re-election late last year with 97,046 votes. Challenger Fred Gegare had 42,480 votes and Sandy Pope 30,279 votes.

Ken Hall, who would take over if something happened to Hoffa received several thousand votes as well, but that is not my point.

At the end of the day, SWAMT is trying to create an issue by initiating that the amfa constitution is somehow more democratic, more American than the Teamsters.

WHERE DO YOU LIVE???

SWAMT and others put down the Teamsters because some of the non executive positions are appointed rather than elected. However, this is as American as you can get. One of the basic reasons is to get the right person for the job, but another, is the ability to keep things running in the event of a complete change in executive board.

What will Aaron do is he is suddenly thrust in to the middle of a bankruptcy negotiation for American Airlines mechanics? He is after all, YOUR amfa second in command but may not know a thing about how to protect you. Do you all have as much faith in the guy as 345 phoenix mechanics? Good luck with that.

There are several appointed positions within our own government besides the Supreme Court who also are not elected .

From Wiki, these appointments include,

Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry
  • Commodity Futures Trading Commission (political balance required)
    • Commissioner - five positions (five-year term of office; chair, who must first be confirmed as a commissioner, also needs to be confirmed)
Committee on Armed Services
  • Military Officers (commissions and promotions) - Officers receive a commission assigning them to the officer corps from the President (with the consent of the Senate). Promotions of all commissioned military officers are also commissioned by the President (with the consent of the Senate).
Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
  • Export-Import Bank of the United States (political balance required)
    • Member - five positions (four-year terms of office — Chair, who first must be confirmed as a member, also needs to be confirmed.)
    • Inspector General
  • Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (political balance required)
    • Member - three positions (six-year terms of office — Chair and vice chair, who first must be confirmed as members, also need to be confirmed.)
    • Inspector General
  • Federal Reserve System, Board of Governors
    • Governor - seven positions (14-year terms of office — Chair and vice chair, who first must be confirmed as governors, also need to be confirmed for four-year terms in those offices.)
Committee on the Budget
Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation
  • Consumer Product Safety Commission (political balance required)
    • Commissioner - five positions (seven-year terms of office - Only three of the positions have been funded and filled since the mid-1980s; chair, who first must be confirmed as a member, also needs to be confirmed.)
  • National Transportation Safety Board (political balance required)
    • Member - five positions (five-year terms of office - Chair, who first must be confirmed as a member, also needs to be confirmed.)
  • Office of the Federal Coordinator for Alaska Natural Gas Transportation Projects
    • Federal Coordinator
  • Reform Board (AMTRAK)
    • Member - seven positions (five-year terms of office)
Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
  • Office of the Federal Coordinator for Alaska Natural Gas Transportation Projects
    • Federal Coordinator
Committee on Environment and Public Works
  • Environmental Protection Agency
    • Administrator
    • Deputy Administrator
    • Assistant Administrator
    • Assistant Administrator for Administration and Resources Management
    • Assistant Administrator for Air and Radiation
    • Assistant Administrator for Enforcement and Compliance Assurance
    • Assistant Administrator for Environmental Information
    • Assistant Administrator for International Affairs
    • Assistant Administrator for Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances
    • Assistant Administrator for Research and Development
    • Assistant Administrator for Solid Waste and Emergency Response
    • Assistant Administrator for Water
    • Chief Financial Officer
    • General Counsel
    • Inspector General
  • Mississippi River Commission
    • Commissioner - four positions (indefinite terms of office)
    • Commissioner - three positions (nine-year terms of office)
Committee on Finance
  • Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, Board of Trustees (political balance required)
    • Member - two (of six total) positions (four-year terms of office)
  • Federal Old-Age and Survivors Trust Fund and the Disability Insurance Trust Fund, Board of Trustees (political balance required)
    • Member - two (of six total) positions (four-year terms of office)
  • Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund, Board of Trustees (political balance required)
    • Member - two (of six total) positions (four-year terms of office)
  • Internal Revenue Service Oversight Board
    • Member - six (of nine total) positions (five-year terms of office)
  • Social Security Advisory Board (political balance required)
    • Member - three (of seven total) positions (six-year terms of office)
Committee on Foreign Relations
  • United States Agency for International Development
    • Administrator
    • Assistant Administrator — Asia and Near East
    • Assistant Administrator — Democracy, Conflict, and Humanitarian Assistance
    • Assistant Administrator — Economic Growth, Agriculture, and Trade
    • Assistant Administrator — Europe and Eurasia
    • Assistant Administrator — Global Health
    • Assistant Administrator — Latin America and Caribbean
    • Assistant Administrator — Legislative and Public Affairs
    • Assistant Administrator — Management
    • Assistant Administrator — Policy and Program Coordination
    • Assistant Administrator — Sub-Saharan Africa
    • Deputy Administrator
    • Inspector General
  • International Monetary Fund
    • U.S. Executive Director (two-year term of office)
    • U.S. Alternate Executive Director (two-year term of office)
  • African Development Bank
    • U.S. Executive Director (five-year term of office; full-time)
    • Governor and Alternate Governor (five-year terms of office; part-time)
International Development AssociationInternational Finance Corporation
  • Millennium Challenge Corporation
    • Chief Executive Officer (full-time)
    • Member, Board of Directors - four (of nine total) positions (part-time; three-year terms of office)
  • Overseas Private Investment Corporation
    • President/Chief Executive Officer (full-time)
    • Executive Vice President (full-time)
    • Member, Board of Directors - eight (of 15 total) positions (part-time; three-year terms of office)
  • Peace Corps
    • Director (full-time)
    • Deputy Director (full-time)
    • Member, Peace Corps National Advisory Council — 15 positions (part-time; political balance required; two-year terms of office)
  • Advisory Board for Cuba Broadcasting (political balance required)
    • Member - nine positions (three-year terms of office)
  • Inter-American Foundation, Board of Directors (political balance required)
    • Member — nine positions (six-year terms of office)
  • U.S. Advisory Commission on Public Diplomacy (political balance required)
    • Commissioner — seven positions (three-year terms of office)
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
 
Oooops, ran out of room. To continue American appointments;
  • National Labor Relations Board (Political balance is not required, but, by tradition, no more than three members are from the same party.)
    • Member - five positions (five-year terms of office)
    • General Counsel (four-year term of office)
  • Occupational Safety and Health Review Commission
    • Member - three positions (six-year terms of office)
  • Railroad Retirement Board
    • Member - three positions (five-year terms of office; chair, who first must be appointed as a member, also needs to be confirmed.)
    • Inspector General
  • Barry M. Goldwater Scholarship and Excellence in Education Foundation, Board of Trustees (political balance required)
    • Member - eight (of 13 total) positions (six-year terms of office)
  • Harry S. Truman Scholarship Foundation, Board of Trustees (political balance required)
    • Member - eight (of 13 total) positions (six-year terms of office)
  • James Madison Memorial Fellowship Foundation, Board of Trustees (political balance required)
    • Member - six (of 13 total) positions (six-year terms of office)
  • National Board for Education Sciences
    • Member - 15 positions
  • National Foundation on the Arts and the Humanities
    • National Council on the Arts
      • Member - 14 positions (of 21 total) positions (six-year terms of office)
    • National Council on the Humanities
      • Member - 26 positions (of 27 total) positions (six-year terms of office)
    • National Museum Services Board
      • Member - 14 positions (of 15 total) positions (five-year terms of office)
  • National Institute for Literacy Advisory Board
    • Member - 10 positions (three-year terms of office)
Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
  • Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency to the District of Columbia
    • Director (six-year term of office)
  • Merit Systems Protection Board (political balance required)
    • Member - three positions (seven-year terms of office). The Chair, who first must be confirmed as a member, also needs to be confirmed.
  • Office of Government Ethics
    • Director (five-year term of office)
  • Most other Inspectors General
  • Special Panel on Appeals
    • Chair (six-year term of office)
Committee on Indian Affairs
  • Office of Navajo and Hopi Indian Relocation
    • Commissioner (two-year term of office)
  • Institute of American Indian and Alaska Native Culture and Arts Development, Board of Trustees
    • Member - 13 (voting) positions (six-year terms of office)
Select Committee on Intelligence
Committee on the Judiciary
  • United States district court
    • Judges - 678 positions. Most are life tenure; in total there are 663 permanent judgeships, 11 temporary judgeships, and four territorial court judgeships. In the districts with the 11 temporary judgeships, the seat lapses with the departure of a judge from that district at some particular time specified in statute unless Congress enacts legislation to extend the temporary judgeship or convert it to a permanent judgeship.
  • United States Sentencing Commission
    • Chair - (six-year term of office; nominated from among commission members; see additional listing under part-time positions below.)
    • Vice Chair - three positions (six-year terms of office; designated from among commission members — See additional listing under part-time positions below.)
  • Foreign Claims Settlement Commission
    • Member - three positions (three-year terms of office — One of the three members is also nominated to be the full-time chair of the commission, as shown above)
  • State Justice Institute, Board of Directors
    • Director - 11 positions (three-year terms of office)
  • United States Sentencing Commission (political balance required)
    • Commissioner - seven positions (six-year terms of office; one of the seven members is also nominated to be the full-time chair of the commission, and two others are designated as full-time vice-chairs)
Committee on Rules and Administration
Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Committee on Veterans' Affairs
  • Department of Labor
    • Assistant Secretary of Labor for Veterans' Employment and Training Service
 
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