There is no vote if the FAA tightens up duty rules for Mechanics and FYI nothing in our current contract says the company is required to allow us to DayTrade. We need something in the next contract to keep them from getting rid of it altogether.
There is no vote if the FAA tightens up duty rules for Mechanics and FYI nothing in our current contract says the company is required to allow us to DayTrade. We need something in the next contract to keep them from getting rid of it altogether.
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The don't think that is true atleast to my knowledge.i am pretty sure the people I know at these two station would have said something.
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SWA1963-- look in your our contract article 24(pg74) then go to Par 16. It addresses shift/day trades and how they can be used and or taken away. It is in our contract and has been in our previous contract with just a few changes from our last nego which will have a line next to the sub paragraph.(E,F,G were changed Or added to)
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It wasn't in MCO, but from what I've been hearing out of BWI, I'm not surprised... There are a lot of high tempered mechanics up there apparently, former AT and original SWA... The MCO guys, in their majority, have been pretty welcoming, almost like accepting the inevitable. I know there are going to be moments where we might get a little tempered with eachother, but we all have the ultimate goal here, to do our jobs well and make our money. Hell, not everyone gets along within their own airlines, you can't expect 2 merging airlines to be any better.... We'll work it out down here in MCO, there are plenty of good guys on both sides that don't want any of us to fail, I'm sure, over time, we'll all be one big happy family...
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You are wrong with Bwi and you are wrong with Mco. You are also wrong with the overtime because I am told its all because of the AirTran management and there is hostility and no overtime .I laughed when I heard they where putting 16 days and 16 eve slots , for 90 flights. No where in our system do we do that. Wait I am wrong LA does it because they have no RON.its been told to me because its to cater to the AirTran guys because of there age.it makes sense to add slots on days and eves in Bwi because they do have a lot more flights. So the extra 4 guys on both days and eves is justifiable .
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Okay, my eyes must be lying to me because I am here every night in MCO and the majority of the guys are getting along pretty well, unlike BWI which has a table that separates the room they share into 2 halves! The 16 on days and eves on MCO was for the benefit of the SWA guys as well as the transitioned guys. There are only a few transitioned guys that are going to hold days, almost none on eves and most will end up on nights... I believe the no OT thing because you have AT management here. I almost want to say welcome to AirTran vs welcome to SWA! Beleieve me, no one is gettin catered to here, no one!!
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Your so called fight was a yelling match between a sup and a Swa mechanic (Bwi). I am happy the two groups are getting along. But When you say the majority, does that mean you are interacting with them ,every night in the same office for the past year. Or does it mean you go over to there office because you are directed by management to do so.just curious because I hear different things other then what you write on here.
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What is the general census about the 24 hr rule and the fourth line being traded for ups money? in Dallas it's a hell No!!!!
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Well, we don't interact night in and night out, yet, but we are forced to cross paths on a regular basis, servicing O2, using the RDS, etc... Most guys that go over there tell me that most guys are pretty cordial. Some still won't look you in the face but like I said, it's like that from both ends. The general consensus seems to be acceptance of what's inevitable. The common problem that all of us seem to be having is the management, and not so much the original SWA management, but the transitioned managers from AirTran. Believe me when I tell you, that's a common enemy for all of us down here!! Original SWA mechs think that transitioned guys are getting special treatment of some sort and vise versa. It's almost like management says they want us all to get along but they point the finger at the 2 workgroups when something goes sour.... A SWA manager should've taken charge down here, not and AirTran one.
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From what I'm hearing about the 4th line and 24hr rule from a large number of mechanics in PHX that I'm friends with is a big NO!! But PHX is like the black sheep or red headed step child and they will be a NO vote no matter what.
WOW - The black sheep I agree. But maybe if we had listened to the PHX guys we wouldn't have got only a nickel for giving up maintenance to %$#@#$ el salvador. And maybe if we had listened to the PHX guys we wouldn't have given up the double-time paid rest on the 24-rule for basically nothing. And I am already seeing that maybe for once we should listen to the PHX guys and not give up this 4th line for anything less then $75/hour. I realize its easy to say that asking for an absurd amount is stupid and crazy but I would tell the company that is what we think of you asking for our PROMISED 4th line. Jack James, who I personally really like because he tells it like it is, laughed at us for what we agreed upon to outsource to some 3rd world nation. Sure we all were three sheets to the wind but he still laughed. We could have received SO much more.
Interesting article from the AMFA32 site you all should look at. I breaks down labor between most airlines big and small in the US and overseas. What did I get from it.......
Airline A/C Maintenance Per a/c #
Alaska 120 625 5.2
Allegiant 62 222 3.6
Aloha 22 59 2.7
American 605 8972 14.8
Continental 346 1847 5.3
Delta 722 5441 7.5
Hawaiian 43 208 4.8
Jetblu 172 509 3.0
Mesa 80 319 4.0
Skywest 322 1188 3.7
*****SWA***** 571 1630 ***2.9***
Spirit 50 152 3.0
United 705 3826 5.4
UPS 231 1059 4.6
USAirways 338 2983 8.8
Virgin 41 172 4.2
Now I understand the arguement that we outsource alot. But guess what, every airline outsources alot now. What I find the most scary is that the airlines with a low Maint/aircraft number do none of their own structure work. All that is outsourced. We do a tremendous amount of our heavy checks which is 1/3 to 1/2 our mechanics. Imagine the Maint/aircraft number if we eliminated all our structures and shop people and then gave the public a look at these numbers. "Don't worry Mr. and Mrs. Family of Five, all those other airlines have from 4 - 14 people working on their plane but here at good ol' SWA when you flying at 40,000 and 500MPH you can be rest assured that 1 - 2 of our finest gave this plane their all last night". Oh yea, they also had three other planes last night but I am sure yours was their top priority.
Airline A/C Maintenance Per a/c #
Alaska 120 625 5.2
Allegiant 62 222 3.6
Aloha 22 59 2.7
American 605 8972 14.8
Continental 346 1847 5.3
Delta 722 5441 7.5
Hawaiian 43 208 4.8
Jetblu 172 509 3.0
Mesa 80 319 4.0
Skywest 322 1188 3.7
*****SWA***** 571 1630 ***2.9***
Spirit 50 152 3.0
United 705 3826 5.4
UPS 231 1059 4.6
USAirways 338 2983 8.8
Virgin 41 172 4.2
Now I understand the arguement that we outsource alot. But guess what, every airline outsources alot now. What I find the most scary is that the airlines with a low Maint/aircraft number do none of their own structure work. All that is outsourced. We do a tremendous amount of our heavy checks which is 1/3 to 1/2 our mechanics. Imagine the Maint/aircraft number if we eliminated all our structures and shop people and then gave the public a look at these numbers. "Don't worry Mr. and Mrs. Family of Five, all those other airlines have from 4 - 14 people working on their plane but here at good ol' SWA when you flying at 40,000 and 500MPH you can be rest assured that 1 - 2 of our finest gave this plane their all last night". Oh yea, they also had three other planes last night but I am sure yours was their top priority.
Sorry for above post. Not sure why it came out all messed up but you can still get the point. This is old and would love to see something updated if anyone have anything but this was done actually by Consumer Reports so you know its quite accurate for the time.
Airline maintenance outsourcing (as percentage of total expenses)
AIRLINE 2005 2006 2007 (through 3Q)
Alaska 92% 80% 81%
Hawaiian 80% 86% 89%
US Airways* 77% 81% 80%
Northwest 76% 83% 81%
America West** 76% 91% 91%
Continental 69% 68% 70%
JetBlue 68% 64% 65%
Southwest 68% 81% 85%
AirTran 66% 93% 94%
Frontier 65% 79% 80%
United 63% 66% 67%
Delta 48% 73% 72%
American 46% 49% 51%
ATA*** 18% 85% 87%
Could things have gotten better in five years???????????????
Airline maintenance outsourcing (as percentage of total expenses)
AIRLINE 2005 2006 2007 (through 3Q)
Alaska 92% 80% 81%
Hawaiian 80% 86% 89%
US Airways* 77% 81% 80%
Northwest 76% 83% 81%
America West** 76% 91% 91%
Continental 69% 68% 70%
JetBlue 68% 64% 65%
Southwest 68% 81% 85%
AirTran 66% 93% 94%
Frontier 65% 79% 80%
United 63% 66% 67%
Delta 48% 73% 72%
American 46% 49% 51%
ATA*** 18% 85% 87%
Could things have gotten better in five years???????????????
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So if PHX is a no on almost everything . Was the Intergration vote a land slide No?
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