American Bucking The Trend

[TWU informer]

CIO,

Were the massive RIF's of previous TWA employees calculated in the Industry Leading Concessions?

Seems I remember you claiming the concessions saved some 12,000 jobs and three maintenance bases.

In your world, the TWA Mechanics must not have counted in your predictions. Is that because "You've Got Your's Brother"?

HERE IS THE TRUTH CIO...

AA Bucking the Trend?

CF6-80c2A5 Engine Still Outsourced via Maintenance By The Hour Agreement with General Electric.

Chromolloy, Pratt & Whitney, and General Electric have dedicated floor space at the Tulsa Turbine Building to handle the huge volume of outsourced work to their facilities. Some much work leaves through these vendors that they have their own employees stationed inside the bulding to handle the outsourcing.

Rolls-Royce RB-211 - TAESL - Engine is torn down and components are mass outsourced for overhual and then the engine is re-assembled.

Nordam in Tulsa does enough AA work to employee two shifts of workers.

CFM-56 Engine - Most componets are still slated for outsource overhaul.

Just because AA blows smoke up some reporters ass and a story is printed, does not make this so-called trend bucking true.

I am not convinced of any trend being bucked, I am more convinced that this another management smoke and mirrors campaign. I am just not sure what the end game of this campaign is right now.

We still have 700+ laid-off despite the fact that thousands have retired, died, quit, or been terminated from AA employment.

I think more truth and answers to questions regarding this "bucking the trend" lie, will emerge clear and concise within the next 12 months.

 

[seed]

Also, how many members are currently laid-off in Tulsa

As if TUL is your only concern for furloughed mechanics...kinda one way aren't ya?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

As if TUL is your only concern for furloughed mechanics...kinda one way aren't ya?

[post="296620"][/post]​

seed, at least twu Informer's "way" is the truth. Now, try and answer the question.

 

[AMFAMAN]

As if TUL is your only concern for furloughed mechanics...kinda one way aren't ya?

[post="296620"][/post]​

Actually if you read my 2 previous posts, your layoffs are included. It is the twu the continually likes to forget you guys except in the event of representational elections. <_<

 

[TWU informer]

As if TUL is your only concern for furloughed mechanics...kinda one way aren't ya?

[post="296620"][/post]​

seed,

The reason the postings appear to focus on Tulsa, is because Tulsa is where the "bucking the trend" is being reported from. Tulsa is at an all time high for Corporate Unionism and CIO is the one that claimed the concessions would save 12,000 jobs and Three Maintenance Bases.

I have great concern for laid-off Mechanics it MCI, however, the TWU Sponsored SCAB job fair sure tainted my view of this matter. But, the truth is I have been around long enough to know the TWU's actions are not the member's actions, therefore the RIF'd are not to blame for the Scab Recruiting, anymore than I am to blame for the RIF's there.

So you see, the same holds true for those in Tulsa too, don't blame the members because the TWU shafted you and your fellow work group. Anyone who has been a member of the TWU for anytime at all knows that the membership has zero control over the actions of the liars, cheaters, drunks, punks, and cowards leading the TWU.

 

[Bob Owens]

As if TUL is your only concern for furloughed mechanics...kinda one way aren't ya?

[post="296620"][/post]​

Seed;

When TWA took over Ozark did the IAM put the issue of Dovetailing vs stapling to a vote?

When AA took over Reno and Air Cal they never put it to a vote.

The fact is the International made the decision, but as usual they try to put the blame on the members, and you choose to believe them.

 

[Checking it Out]

TWU uninformer, Since you have not been involved for many years in a honest Union, I doubt you have a clue about what is going on. You promote an association that has done more harm in the industry than any other organization.

The laid off employees thru-out the system have hope to come back to AA, unlike Amfa who is allowing permanent unemployment.


AA is not perfect and we on a daily basis worry about our future, The majority have continued to speak in favor of the direction of the Unions at AA.


Unlike you Dave who belief in the destruction of Solidarity!!!!

 

[777 fixer]

AA Bucking the Trend?

CF6-80c2A5 Engine Still Outsourced via Maintenance By The Hour Agreement with General Electric.

Chromolloy, Pratt & Whitney, and General Electric have dedicated floor space at the Tulsa Turbine Building to handle the huge volume of outsourced work to their facilities. Some much work leaves through these vendors that they have their own employees stationed inside the bulding to handle the outsourcing.

Rolls-Royce RB-211 - TAESL - Engine is torn down and components are mass outsourced for overhual and then the engine is re-assembled.

Nordam in Tulsa does enough AA work to employee two shifts of workers.

CFM-56 Engine - Most componets are still slated for outsource overhaul.

Just because AA blows smoke up some reporters ass and a story is printed, does not make this so-called trend bucking true.

I am not convinced of any trend being bucked, I am more convinced that this another management smoke and mirrors campaign. I am just not sure what the end game of this campaign is right now.

We still have 700+ laid-off despite the fact that thousands have retired, died, quit, or been terminated from AA employment.

I think the truth and answers to questions regarding this "bucking the trend" lie, will emerge clear and concise within the next 12 months.

[post="296465"][/post]​

Well informer it could be worse. AA could be sending thier widebodies over to asia like UAL and NWA. Or their 737's for heavy checks to third party outfits here in the sates like SWA. Or other aircraft to El Salvador like JBLU.

 

[Bob Owens]

Checking it Out,Sep 5 2005, 03:35 PM]
TWU uninformer, Since you have not been involved for many years in a honest Union, I doubt you have a clue about what is going on.



An honest union? Have you ever been involved with one?

You promote an association that has done more harm in the industry than any other organization.

Spoken like a true Company man. Any organization that actually tries to increase wages and benifits hurts the industry right? You are more concerned about the "industry" than the workers. As the Industry continues to expand and wages plummet you are still worried about the industry while you live off the members dues. You are a disgrace to unioniism.


The laid off employees thru-out the system have hope to come back to AA, unlike Amfa who is allowing permanent unemployment.

What about those who were forced to quit AA because they had no hope of a livable wage at AA?

AA is not perfect and we on a daily basis worry about our future, The majority have continued to speak in favor of the direction of the Unions at AA.

Have they? How do you define the majority? The less than half of the members of Tulsa that voted in your last election?

Unlike you Dave who belief in the destruction of Solidarity!!!!

And what would you know about Solidarity? Your strategy is to give the company everything they want in order to preserve your above average lifestyle. To rape the line guys and try to minmize the economic impact of your cowardice on the workers at Tulsa by increasing the impact and suffering to the guys on the line. The loss of shift pay , holiday pay etc had a much bigger impact on the line guys than Tulsa but your idea of Solidarity is that since Tulsa is the majority that everyone else should shut up and accept whatever Tulsa dictates. Thats not Solidarity, it oppression of the minority where our interests are excluded. Solidarity is impossible under such conditions. You dont preach or foster Solidarity, your attitude is screw everyone else-I GOT MINE.

 

[TWU informer]

Well informer it could be worse. AA could be sending thier widebodies over to asia like UAL and NWA. Or their 737's for heavy checks to third party outfits here in the sates like SWA. Or other aircraft to El Salvador like JBLU.

[post="296780"][/post]​

That's true 777fixer,

But the fact is AA and tWU propaganda machine are not being honest when claiming all heavy maintenance is done in-house.

I am not claiming it couldn't get worse. In fact, I still maintain that with the TWU representation IT WILL GET WORSE!


But what about the outright lies about 12,000 jobs being saved, three maintenance bases remaining, all heavy maintenance being done in-house, and the infamous we need to have a re-vote to have a credible ratification?

Thats is what I am taking issue with here.

All one has to do is look down south to know it could be worse. That's a no brainer 777 fixer!

 

[TWU informer]

TWU uninformer, Since you have not been involved for many years in a honest Union, I doubt you have a clue about what is going on. You promote an association that has done more harm in the industry than any other organization.
The laid off employees thru-out the system have hope to come back to AA, unlike Amfa who is allowing permanent unemployment. AA is not perfect and we on a daily basis worry about our future, The majority have continued to speak in favor of the direction of the Unions at AA. 
Unlike you Dave who belief in the destruction of Solidarity!!!!

[post="296758"][/post]​

HELLO!!!!!!!

We are not debating AMFA vs TWU here CIO, we are debating the outright lies that you, the TWU, and AA are spewing about maintenance operations in Tulsa.

You are not going to answer the allegations about the work still being outsourced that I detailed earlier, you are not going to answer the lies about the claim that 12,000 jobs and three maintenance bases were being saved by the concessions. You are not going to answer the lack of a re-vote which was promised and never happened. You are not going to answer the fact that Jim Little claimed in writing that the TWU Constitution required membership ratification of changes or modifications of the labor agreement, and then signed an affidavitt in Federal Court claiming the exact opposite.

The reason you try to attack individuals personally and attempt to deflect the debate is because YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THESE ISSUES!

And guess what? The readers can see that fact CIO!