Here is a story that ran today in The Fort Worth Telegram. Even though things may be gloomy at times, we are in abetter postion than most of the legfacy carriers. Again who knows?Outsourcing story
American Bucking The Trend
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Thomas Paine
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AAStew said:
American Airlines might be in a better position but that does not mean that its employees are.
Wretched Wrench
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Thomas Paine said:
Well, maybe not quite. If AA stays healthy, we are less likely to end up in bankruptcy court with further concessions and pension raiding.
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This isn't the place to find any hopeful feedback. Though the article was nice. We have a lot of people who can't seem to get over this jobs going nowhere. I just topped out at A scale after 12 years this year. Since it took 6 years to break $12 an hour, (before I made mechanic), it is, shall we say, a bittersweet moment. I'm back at trade school working on another license, saving money and doing the best job I can. But I'm thinking of starting a 12 step program to help people ween themselves off this business.
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<_< After Oct.17th. I don't think any of the Airlines will use Bankrupcy as an excuss to dump their pensions!!! They could, but it would be a lot riskier for top management with the new bankrupcy laws!Wretched Wrench said:
Thomas Paine
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AAStew said:
So you feel that if the company is doing OK, paying their bills, earning a profit that means that you are OK even if you cant pay your bills and have nothing left over?
So I guess that all the Walmart workers should be happy also, according to your logic that if the company is doing well, thats all that matters.
Working for the airlines has always been a shaky proposition, thats why you demand as much money as you can while there is work available. There is no security in poverty.
The secret to work is to to charge more, not less, because your time on earth is limited. Your labor is not a commodity like widgits. When you sell widgits you can make more and sell more, so you can mark down the price for each unit and still make more money, or at least the same profit. We sell hours and no matter what you do there are only 24 hours in a day. We can not really increase the amount of hours we sell without a severe cost and even if we are willing to absorb that cost we are still limited to the amount of hours we can work. If we discount our labor we lose.
We dont see the execs saying that they are thankful to have a job and working for less.
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AAStew said:
NOT TRUE! Before the deregulation act of 1978, there may have been layoffs during down cycles in the airline business, but it was almost granted that when business picked back up you would get recalled. Eventually people would aquire enough seniority to avoid the layoffs in the down cycles and their airline job would be one of the most stable of careers.
Now the airline business has been reduced to rubble. Even mighty Southwest one of these days will get it's butt kicked into bankruptcy by some SCAB,outsourced,cheap labor airline. The airline industry was regulated for a reason and we now see why.
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Before everybody gets giddy with the pie in the sky story you must remember that there has been an ongoing layoff of mechanics since 2003.There are union members retiring,quitting,and dying every month and AA is not replacing them by calling back layed-off mechanics.
I wonder if TWU would release the membership numbers at present time as compared to the time of the 2003 layoff.We are losing union jobs every month and no union officer seems to be addressing this issue.
I wonder if TWU would release the membership numbers at present time as compared to the time of the 2003 layoff.We are losing union jobs every month and no union officer seems to be addressing this issue.
TWU informer
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AA Bucking the Trend?
CF6-80c2A5 Engine Still Outsourced via Maintenance By The Hour Agreement with General Electric.
Chromolloy, Pratt & Whitney, and General Electric have dedicated floor space at the Tulsa Turbine Building to handle the huge volume of outsourced work to their facilities. Some much work leaves through these vendors that they have their own employees stationed inside the bulding to handle the outsourcing.
Rolls-Royce RB-211 - TAESL - Engine is torn down and components are mass outsourced for overhual and then the engine is re-assembled.
Nordam in Tulsa does enough AA work to employee two shifts of workers.
CFM-56 Engine - Most componets are still slated for outsource overhaul.
Just because AA blows smoke up some reporters ass and a story is printed, does not make this so-called trend bucking true.
I am not convinced of any trend being bucked, I am more convinced that this another management smoke and mirrors campaign. I am just not sure what the end game of this campaign is right now.
We still have 700+ laid-off despite the fact that thousands have retired, died, quit, or been terminated from AA employment.
I think the truth and answers to questions regarding this "bucking the trend" lie, will emerge clear and concise within the next 12 months.
CF6-80c2A5 Engine Still Outsourced via Maintenance By The Hour Agreement with General Electric.
Chromolloy, Pratt & Whitney, and General Electric have dedicated floor space at the Tulsa Turbine Building to handle the huge volume of outsourced work to their facilities. Some much work leaves through these vendors that they have their own employees stationed inside the bulding to handle the outsourcing.
Rolls-Royce RB-211 - TAESL - Engine is torn down and components are mass outsourced for overhual and then the engine is re-assembled.
Nordam in Tulsa does enough AA work to employee two shifts of workers.
CFM-56 Engine - Most componets are still slated for outsource overhaul.
Just because AA blows smoke up some reporters ass and a story is printed, does not make this so-called trend bucking true.
I am not convinced of any trend being bucked, I am more convinced that this another management smoke and mirrors campaign. I am just not sure what the end game of this campaign is right now.
We still have 700+ laid-off despite the fact that thousands have retired, died, quit, or been terminated from AA employment.
I think the truth and answers to questions regarding this "bucking the trend" lie, will emerge clear and concise within the next 12 months.
Checking it Out
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Just for your information,
The TWU and AA have confirmed work for third party in excess of 200 million, 72 confirmed and the rest in future work. Thanks to the many who have worked to turn Maintenance around.
The retired employees were planed in the cost savings during the concessionary agreement. And members thru-out the systems have been called back.
The TWU and AA have confirmed work for third party in excess of 200 million, 72 confirmed and the rest in future work. Thanks to the many who have worked to turn Maintenance around.
The retired employees were planed in the cost savings during the concessionary agreement. And members thru-out the systems have been called back.
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Checking it Out said:
What about outsourced TWU work CIO? The smoke screen PR campaing is claiming AA is bringin in-house ALL of it's own Heavy Maintenance plus Third Party Work.
Also, how many members are currently laid-off in Tulsa where the so-called Bucking the Trend is taking place? Did I miss it? Did the Tulsa workers get re-callled?
Come on CIO, stop the spin machine and tell the truth!
Checking it Out said:
Shows us in the concessionary agreement where we got credit for the retirements?
Also, very few if any at some stations have been recalled. DFW recall list is still over 100. JFK over 500, LGA over 100. Hey but don't let facts get in the way CIO.
Get back to your scab fairs and helping out the man.
