American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[MetalMover]

A PEB is not binding

Right. Here is the process:

http://www.pennfedbmwe.org/Docs/reference/RLA_Simplified.html

 

[cltrat]

700,
The members are voting on my uncensored page and the vote is 99% are in favor of bringing the offer out.
Both the company and union look at these scientific polling.
Members wanna know.

Uncensored page lmao that’s rich there and an outright lie.
Most posting there are your sheep anyway like a couple you have here

 

[MetalMover]

I know the process, I went on strike in 1992, when we the IAM Represented Mechanic and related struck. And your link clearly states a PEB is non-binding. The IAM and the TWU has never accepted the proffer of arbitration in a section 6, labor doesn’t win in arbitration, ask the Flight Attendants. Why would you give up any bargaining power and be forced to accept an arbitration award? It’s utterly ridiculous.

I posted it for those who don't know it. Just keep in mind, Congress does NOT have to get involved.
So go on strike an risk getting replaced. Look at Eastern and NWA.
I could be a selfish SOB and say it won't affect me because retirement will occur before we get to that point. But I won't. I don't wish anyone lose their jobs because the alternative is protecting union dues and the unborn.

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAz...Neither side is moving.Time to move on. I am not advocating relenting. So why not ask to be released from mediation? Why not go to binding arbitration?

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Sorry man I was typing the other one while you were typing this.

You know why they won’t go to binding Arbitration. Because an Arbitrator will look to be “In Line” with the rest of an Industry that hasn’t restored itself in Workers from all of their own hardships.

Someone eventually has to start trying to reset the bar don’t you think?

And BTW next Month the FA’s go to that Hard 40 for Medical language they got screwed on by going to Arbitration. Have you ever spoken to a knowledgeable FA and let them tell you the joys of their Arbitration experiences?

Actually start asking some of the Pilots. I’m sure they have some joys of their own they can tell you.

 

[MetalMover]

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You left out strikers getting replaced.

 

[ALUS78]

Uncensored page lmao that’s rich there and an outright lie.
Most posting there are your sheep anyway like a couple you have here

Rat hes got a pretty big flock lately

 

[MetalMover]

Sorry man I was typing the other one while you were typing this.

You know why they won’t go to binding Arbitration. Because an Arbitrator will look to be “In Line” with the rest of an Industry that hasn’t restored itself in Workers from all of their own hardships.

Someone eventually has to start trying to reset the bar don’t you think?

And BTW next Month the FA’s go to that Hard 40 for Medical language they got screwed on by going to Arbitration. Have you ever spoken to a knowledgeable FA and let them tell you the joys of their Arbitration experiences?

Actually start asking some of the Pilots. I’m sure they have some joys of their own they can tell you.

So let's say you go all the way to a strike and hope for a PEB and eventually Congressional intervention. Won't a PEB and Congress suggest what arbitration will?

 

[WeAAsles]

All I am saying is that at the end of the day the company will win out. History can and will repeat itself.

Eventually the two sides will move closer to each other. As I recall before all the BS concessions it always did work that way.

The Company just wants to keep the interest on Capital as long as they can.

The way they think is different from the average individual.

 

[MetalMover]

If the previous generation thought the same you wouldn’t have a job. And less workers means less weekends off less shifts etc. So as the numbers dwindle, the quality of life of those left will be worse, but you are another one who doesn’t look at the big picture.

Noooo. I don't see the picture having put in over 4 decades in this business. You're right! I'm just a babe in the woods!
Like I said, I will be retired before we ever get to the point of self help.

 

[MetalMover]

Congress can only legislate the CBA, no one can force you into arbitration nor force you to accept the PEB. Congress has NEVER legislated an airline CBA. It has happened in the railroads. And with the House being under Democratic control, they won’t legislate your CBA.

So then STRIKE IT IS!

 

[WeAAsles]

So let's say you go all the way to a strike and hope for a PEB and eventually Congressional intervention. Won't a PEB and Congress suggest what arbitration will?

Forums is a little more advanced then the average FB crowd. You and I both know we would never be allowed to Strike. Absolute best or worst case scenario would be Congress imposes a deal on us. A PEB would also probably recommend we meet somewhere in the middle as well.

In the meantime though unfortunately yes the Mediator would make us stew and those who do support the Unions could make trouble.

Personally I think it’s annoying all around but this is how it’s always seemed to work when you read some of those NY Times Archive articles of past Airline Negotiations.

It really is nothing more than an old Movie with little new surprises.

 

[MetalMover]

Do you think the current administration will let the NMB release us? You do know the true purpose of the Railway Labor Act and why it was enacted?

Actually I think an anti union administration would let us strike so another union could be busted. Let the airline impose new terms and replace whoever they want to.

 

[MetalMover]

Sorry my 30 years of experience means nothing. How many contracts did you negotiate in those 40 years? How many arbitration’s did you present? How many grievances did you present in third step?

You know, I just realize how new you are to this forum. What prompted you to come put of your hole all of a sudden?

 

[MetalMover]

It’s not about me, it’s about my knowledge and experience I can share. I seriously doubt the NMB will release, look at AMFA at WN seven years and no release.

So we are just getting jerked around. Sounds to me like it is no longer worth discussing or worrying about.

 

[WeAAsles]

Mark Baskett update.

Hi everyone. There was no progress at all in negotiations this past week. In fact there was a statement made by the company that they weren’t moving at all until we decided what we were going to concede.
If this doesn’t piss you off, then someone needs to shake you and wake you up.

It amazes me that this company still in today’s profits, still want to take from our work group.
Yes they will say they will guarantee your job, but with nobody being hired behind you, then your seniority might grow in years, but your days off and shifts will get worse. Not to mention your choice of what work you want to bid to do. That will be gone also.

It’s time that everyone out there realizes this is an attack on you personally. It’s a slap in your face, in the fact that this company not only doesn’t respect you, they basically resent you! They hate that you are making what your making today.

I’m not sure what it will take to make some of our brothers and sisters wake up and fight.
But if we don’t fight now, when this company is making record profits!! Will we ever fight in the future?? If they want to take from us now in these best of times. Just think what they will want if times are not so good one day.

If you once felt loved and appreciated by this company, and you still want to believe you are, then I’m sorry to tell you, your not! This company is going to make you earn your respect from them. They don’t want our work group to succeed. That’s as clear as I can make it.
I don’t give a crap what local management tells you, or how many hamburgers and hot dogs or ice creams they hand out, Local management doesn’t have a clue what’s being said in the negotiating room. The people they work for, DOES NOT want you around. They don’t respect you. Again, they resent what you are making today.
This company wants to shrink our numbers down to where nobody can be sure what they will be doing or what shift or days off they will have in the future. All the while, the big boys at the top keep raking in record salaries. This isn’t how it’s suppose to go. This company is trying their best to set a trend that will make the 30 + a hour ramp job be a thing of the past.

This is the time we have to say we are done being screwed by this company. If they dont want to make any moves in negotiations, and want to drag this out all summer, then let’s give them their wish. Let’s make it a summer to remember. I am being as clear as I can be here. If every member out there doesn’t wake up and realize you have to fight, then you are going to one day wake up and say “ what the hell happened”.

Clt let’s start by having a huge showing for our info picketing this coming Thursday.
The times are 8am - 11am, and then again from 3pm - 6pm. Everyone, and yes everyone needs to show up to at least one of these times. This is your fight. Its our fight together. If you dont care to show, then you are one of the ones that are asleep.
Please help spread the word, we need to make a strong statement to the company that we demand the respect we deserve.