American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[PIEDMONT784]

so, if that's the case...then tim is 3 steps ahead of all of us. like a chess grandmaster. tim kasparov.

if sito runs the super-duper committee and is willing to give up the insurance as tim says..then, i see everything falling into place.

Yes ... you are correct. Tim is by far the most intelligent human to ever live on this planet. He has the ability to not only see the outcome of any complex problem, but to actually direct the outcome of the end result. It's like playing multilevel chess in 4 dimensions when you factor in the time continuum. Hawking was a f-ing imbecile compared to him!

>SPIT<

 

[NYer]

theoretically, if it's about the lus insurance: the majority of the NC is all TWU and 1 iam benedict arnold, along with sito and garcia?

looks like section 6

Not necessarily.

If a final or last offer is presented it would be a difficult decision to not have a vote. There are many things to consider and you'd have to go into Section 6 knowing the industry would pass us by and there is no guarantee to come out of that process with what would be available prior to Section 6.

 

[WeAAsles]

not only smarter, but to this point and maybe beyond, will benefit more from this merger.



that's all the money, right there.

NYer is of the opinion that 1/2 of the assoc. can't derail a vote for a TA and you hold the opposite view.

i was told early on, that we were joined at the hip with MTC and no contract for them, meant no contract for us..and vice versa.

we'll see what happens.

Legally it’s all well written down and solid. It’s a part of the Association agreement that both the Chairman and Co-Chairman has to agree to pass any agreement down to the Negotiating committee to vote and that committee has to have an equal amount of members made up of both Unions and has to have a majority decide to pass anything on to us.

There is NO tiebreaker and NYer knows this very very very well. His comments imply a Star Wars “Force” will mysteriously lift boulders to get us a vote. The Force is not with Mr Spock though and he owns no Light Sabers.

The TWU Fleet Negotiating team was replenished mainly for the anticipation that there would soon be a vote needed. And they are also in preparations to provide information on how and why TA’d language came into being which was meeting just this last Friday there in your city and hosted by your 512 President.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Not necessarily.

If a final or last offer is presented it would be a difficult decision to not have a vote. There are many things to consider and you'd have to go into Section 6 knowing the industry would pass us by and there is no guarantee to come out of that process with what would be available prior to Section 6.

i understand...yet..

you claim that the iam members of the NC won't 'surrender' their insurance. i take that as if they won't barter/exchange it for anything.

w tells me that the iam will dig in and fight the good fight.

ok, then it's not a difficult decision to make for the iam people.

unless bernie sanders becomes aa CEO, i don't believe aa will back down.

on to section 6.

 

[ALUS78]

you post very similar to 700. Btw, I never negotiated my whole craft out of a job then wasnt aware until a member pointed it out in an informational meeting.

True

 

[WeAAsles]

Not necessarily.

If a final or last offer is presented it would be a difficult decision to not have a vote. There are many things to consider and you'd have to go into Section 6 knowing the industry would pass us by and there is no guarantee to come out of that process with what would be available prior to Section 6.

I could agree with this although if I was thinking from the perspective of the IAM or an IAM Fleet AGC if the Company has not backed off the Medical, IAMPF and Catering I don’t think it’s going to be “difficult” at all.

Any of us putting ourselves in their shoes seriously WHY IN THE WORLD would we agree to pass something on for a vote? The notion itself is absolutely and completely asinine.

Economically they’re still LOSING more than they’re GAINING.

BTW NYer I’m on two of their FB Fleet Group pages and I haven’t read not even one single solitary soul say that they want to vote on what’s currently known. Not a single soul.

No one at all showed up for the Company’s Medical Roadshow either. People actually walked out on them.

So again you tell me again how it’s going to be “difficult” for the IAM to tell the Company to F off?

 

[NYer]

i understand...yet..

you claim that the iam members of the NC won't 'surrender' their insurance. i take that as if they won't barter/exchange it for anything.

w tells me that the iam will dig in and fight the good fight.

ok, then it's not a difficult decision to make for the iam people.

unless bernie sanders becomes aa CEO, i don't believe aa will back down.

on to section 6.

If a final or last offer is presented there are many factors to consider that can influence a vote.

W has been sharing many opinions on negotiations where he's been flat out wrong and he's also on the wrong side of this opinion.

It isn't sustainable to just say "no" indefinitely.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I could agree with this although if I was thinking from the perspective of the IAM or an IAM Fleet AGC if the Company has not backed off the Medical, IAMPF and Catering I don’t think it’s going to be “difficult” at all.

Any of us putting ourselves in their shoes seriously WHY IN THE WORLD would we agree to pass something on for a vote? The notion itself is absolutely and completely asinine.

Economically they’re still LOSING more than they’re GAINING.

BTW NYer I’m on two of their FB Fleet Group pages and I haven’t read not even one single solitary soul say that they want to vote on what’s currently known. Not a single soul.

No one at all showed up for the Company’s Medical Roadshow either. People actually walked out on them.

So again you tell me again how it’s going to be “difficult” for the IAM to tell the Company to F off?

Weez... If everyone could just all get on the same page, and agree to vote Tim into the highest positions at BOTH unions, none of this would ever be an issue.

Recent discoveries at the CERN Hadron Collider point to the probability that Tim has full control of our very universe. It is thought that he is actually directing a holographic simulation of our entire reality. This means that he essentially controls the outcome of EVERYTHING... including our next contract!

Why won't anyone officially endorse him?

 

[WeAAsles]

If a final or last offer is presented there are many factors to consider that can influence a vote.

W has been sharing many opinions on negotiations where he's been flat out wrong and he's also on the wrong side of this opinion.

It isn't sustainable to just say "no" indefinitely.

I would LOVE to see you, all by yourself sit down in a room with the 6 IAM AGC Negotiators and convince them of your position. You’ve been offered the phone numbers to actually contact them directly to plead your case and you’ve so far laughingly refused.

Oh and if it isn’t sustainable tell that to AMFA at SWA who sustained their position for almost 6 years.

You have ZERO way and ZERO ability to force the IAM side to relent to your position or your ideology.

Maybe we actually could get to where you want to be faster by supporting them over the position of the Company? Your position being the wrong one to take.

 

[AANOTOK]

I for one would never vote for two separate healthcare plans and I'm willing to bet neither will many LAA/TWU members, even for a quick resolution. But again, that option is not even going to be on the table. I also don't think AA is willing to compromise on it nor is the IAM. I agree with Crema, on to section 6.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez... If everyone could just all get on the same page, and agree to vote Tim into the highest positions at BOTH unions, none of this would ever be an issue.

Recent discoveries at the CERN Hadron Collider point to the probability that Tim has full control of our very universe. It is thought that he is actually directing a holographic simulation of our entire reality. This means that he essentially controls the outcome of EVERYTHING... including our next contract!

Why won't anyone officially endorse him?

Don’t know Piedmont but “Fly” is telling me that the Medical issue is finished. IAM will keep their percentages and TWU will keep ours. Don’t know any more of the details other than that just yet as the ink could still be wet.

Perhaps the Roadshow and Jetnet/Workbrain responses did the trick?

 

[AANOTOK]

Don’t know Piedmont but “Fly” is telling me that the Medical issue is finished. IAM will keep their percentages and TWU will keep ours. Don’t know any more of the details other than that just yet as the ink could still be wet.

Perhaps the Roadshow and Jetnet/Workbrain responses did the trick?

Might want to catch a different fly...lmao

 

[NYer]

I for one would never vote for two separate healthcare plans and I'm willing to bet neither will many LAA/TWU members, even for a quick resolution. But again, that option is not even going to be on the table. I also don't think AA is willing to compromise on it nor is the IAM. I agree with Crema, on to section 6.

If they present a final or last offer there is a 50/50 chance for a vote.

If they don't present a final or last offer we're going to Section 6.

 

[WeAAsles]

I for one would never vote for two separate healthcare plans and I'm willing to bet neither will many LAA/TWU members, even for a quick resolution. But again, that option is not even going to be on the table. I also don't think AA is willing to compromise on it nor is the IAM. I agree with Crema, on to section 6.

So you really think TWU Fleet Members are going to turn down nearly $10,000 in improvements because IAM guys are saving a few bucks on their Medical?

No vote to almost a $2.00 an hour raise, Double time and a half for 10 total holidays and at least another 3.5% added to our 401k. The PT issue I was worried about gone. A $70,000 buyout and at least a $3,000 Bonus (Maybe more) Commuters going home or getting their seniority back.

I think that vote of yours might be a pretty lonely one honestly.

 

[WeAAsles]

Might want to catch a different fly...lmao

We’ll see...lmao