American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[dfw gen]

They've already used Weaasles and Charlie Brown quotes to make that point in Court.

Have you thought about surrendering and begging for forgiveness?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Didn't Parker say he wanted to compete with Spirit airlines a while back?
Misery loves misery. I guess that's how Parker and AmericaWest management roll.
https://www.thestreet.com/markets/s...a-spirit-and-american-are-downgraded-15100154

yeah, let's get a deal done..that will behoove everyone.

 

[1AA]

They've already used Weaasles and Charlie Brown quotes to make that point in Court.

And sealed the coffin with Samuelsons big mouth threats.
I can't speak for this Charlie Brown guy but both Samuelson and Weasle clowns have no experience in Aircraft maintenance, don't hold any certification ratings to perform maintenance on any aircraft in the country. They both conduct themselves in a unprofessional manner as a representative or employee of American airlines. They speak for Aircraft maintenance professionals that carry a liability and responsibility that is above their job description. They create a false narrative of what an Aircraft maintenance technician professional duties are to my fellow AMT'S at American airlines and the rest of licensed professionals around the world. I'm not here to talk down on any other employees position at AA. I'm here personally expressing my opinion on these two clowns who are clueless and have no business representing AMT'S and telling us what we should do or accept in negotiations for the better of their future financial survival. It's been brought up many times in the past that we as the membership have no say in this association. Only a fool would think that he or she will make a difference as a dues paying member.

 

[cltrat]

"Labor troubles," that's you're claim to pressure?

At the same time the Association claims the airline is stalling talks. Doesn't seem those "troubles" are causing any anxiety to the airline.

I’m glad you’re not in there you’d have a white flag in one hand and a pen in the other

 

[swamt]

At least wait for a time you have some leverage, when ever that is cause it aint now

Leverage was all given up when the asso. made a deal with the co. by giving the membership raises for the cross utilization of both sides allowed to work each others metal. A deal that the membership had no say so at all. These raises also helped out the asso, with the dues increases as well. The asso. affectively sold that leverage right down the river with no paddles.

 

[Matt1200]

I believe that between last week and this week the union and the company will have a contract ready for the work group. I believe we will have a road show explaining the contract. We will vote before the end of October.

 

[swamt]

I also just noticed that the last sentence of the update says we are hopeful progress will be made then, meaning this week.
Almost saying none was made last week.
Hummmm

I said that exact same thing and took it the same as you did. I would have thought that IF progress was made in last meetings the phrase would have properly said; "we are hopeful that MORE progress will be made again."
Plus, they have also cut off all details with no update what-so-ever, typical asso.

Monday the 23rd
Tuesday the 24th
Wednesday the 25th
Thursday the 26th
Friday the 27th

Is that what you're asking?

All 5 days again? That's a positive...

And sealed the coffin with Samuelsons big mouth threats.
I can't speak for this Charlie Brown guy but both Samuelson and Weasle clowns have no experience in Aircraft maintenance, don't hold any certification ratings to perform maintenance on any aircraft in the country. They both conduct themselves in a unprofessional manner as a representative or employee of American airlines. They speak for Aircraft maintenance professionals that carry a liability and responsibility that is above their job description. They create a false narrative of what an Aircraft maintenance technician professional duties are to my fellow AMT'S at American airlines and the rest of licensed professionals around the world. I'm not here to talk down on any other employees position at AA. I'm here personally expressing my opinion on these two clowns who are clueless and have no business representing AMT'S and telling us what we should do or accept in negotiations for the better of their future financial survival. It's been brought up many times in the past that we as the membership have no say in this association. Only a fool would think that he or she will make a difference as a dues paying member.

Well said sir.

 

[swamt]

I believe that between last week and this week the union and the company will have a contract ready for the work group. I believe we will have a road show explaining the contract. We will vote before the end of October.

Oh I hope so badly you are correct. Time to get this crap behind you all and move on.

 

[V.O. Reason]

I believe that between last week and this week the union and the company will have a contract ready for the work group. I believe we will have a road show explaining the contract. We will vote before the end of October.

Optimism such optimism
I don’t trust any of these guys. Especially the ASS
We are 4 years into this without a deal thanks to them

 

[NYer]

when investment banks start turning on you - including GE capital..which finances airlines, allowing them to borrow to buy airplanes...yes, that's pressure.

as far as anxiety, we'll find out this week who's more anxious. someone bent a bit last week, we'll find out who bent.

Crema. If anyone bent, it was the Association.

We'll get more money but they'll get maintenance outsourcing, which is what they want. (along with the IAM medical and pensions)

 

[NYer]

when investment banks start turning on you - including GE capital..which finances airlines, allowing them to borrow to buy airplanes...yes, that's pressure.

Let's not forget AMR went into contract to buy more than 400 planes before going into BK. At the time, since in the union were telling us that meant no bankruptcy. (they filed 3 months later)

 

[NYer]

Have you thought about surrendering and begging for forgiveness?

Like what the Association is going now?

The idea is to not overplay your hand.

 

[dfw gen]

Let's not forget AMR went into contract to buy more than 400 planes before going into BK. At the time, since in the union were telling us that meant no bankruptcy. (they filed 3 months later)

It was all pre packaged.

 

[NYer]

I’m glad you’re not in there you’d have a white flag in one hand and a pen in the other

Yeah. We're in a much better position with the tough guys in there.

 

[AANOTOK]

Not saying it's not fact, but I haven't seen anywhere a memo stating specifically what days negotiations resume.
All the very informative update from the Association states is this week and the hope for progress.