American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Great,,, now if we could get all the rest of them to educate themselves, maybe they wouldn't be so quick to want a "crappy agreement" to vote on.

They’re getting it. It’s admittedly slow going at times but they’re getting it. That Samuelsen stand also lit a fire under people and woke them up from their doldrums.

 

[V.O. Reason]

Give up profit sharing because we will never see the same way Delta does it.
Dump it for higher wage scales through out the contract

 

[bigjets]

John Samuelsen discussing the confrontation with Robert Isom on the Rick Smith radio show. From around mark 17:40 for around 20 minutes.

This was some good info to the public, but I think it would have had more of an impact if all unions representing mechanics, pilots and FA's would echo the same rhetoric, together, rather then one union in contract talks with the airline that outsources the least.

 

[bigjets]

im not sure about liking Sammy , but we have to accept him as a leader simply because there are not many other viable options right now. it does look like its coming to a head, id really like to finish this out then deal with the association.

I don't think you meant to say viable options, you probably meant we have NO OPTION.

 

[WeAAsles]

Give up profit sharing because we will never see the same way Delta does it.
Dump it for higher wage scales through out the contract

It’s not necessarily about the amount of profit that other airlines make as much as it’s about the formula they use to distribute it. The other Airlines put 10% of their pre tax Profit into a pool and any profit above last year’s Profit goes in at 20% before its distributed, whereas AA only puts in 5% and that’s it.

But I agree that direct assured compensation is more preferred by me also over PS.

 

[dfw gen]

Give up profit sharing because we will never see the same way Delta does it.
Dump it for higher wage scales through out the contract

Unbeleivable how so many are ready to surrender. My peers never stop to amaze and embarrass

 

[ALUS78]

Unbeleivable how so many are ready to surrender. My peers never stop to amaze and embarrass

I believe Sadam Hussein said the same thing

 

[swamt]

It’s far more than 500 or 1000 jobs when it’s spread out to all the groups in Negotiations. And it’s also about all the ambiguous language and multiple other items as well.

You should watch ALL of the videos concerning ALL the groups so you can understand ALL the pieces of the puzzle that are not fitting in place.

Negative weezal. THEY need to get into a class and craft union just for mechanics so THEY don't have to be concerned about all the OTHER groups!!

 

[V.O. Reason]

Unbeleivable how so many are ready to surrender. My peers never stop to amaze and embarrass

Giving up profit sharing is not a surrender but a wage is a guarantee, a PS check is not and the percentage of the why they do it they way it’s done compared to others is we have a much larger work force so it will never work out to be that big of a check for most, so get rid of it and improve the wages

 

[swamt]

Unbeleivable how so many are ready to surrender. My peers never stop to amaze and embarrass

Sad brother. I really hope you mechanics hold out for the ILC. At current offers from company it's not ILC... Good luck.

 

[bigjets]

Unbeleivable how so many are ready to surrender. My peers never stop to amaze and embarrass

I agree, we should be like Eastern IAM and get everything we expect, or like NWA AMFA, full pay to the last day. Or even TWU of the last 16 years, only rushing to take concessions but when it comes to contract improvements, we accept nothing less then highest pay, best insurance, 100% scope if we don’t get everything we accept nothing.

 

[BeechDriver]

The company's strategy,

Delay, delay, delay, to frustrate as many as possible into voting for any crappie POS that has smoke and mirror $ signs in it.

Devide and conquer,

Ambiguous contractual language that you could drive a 777 through.

Include a vote buying early out package to guarantee as many YES voters as possible vote for any thing put in front of them regardless of ambiguous contractual language and bad articles (401k, medical costs, scope, ect...) as long as they "think" they are getting a buyout. Why would anyone selling thier yes vote to the company care about anything else but the package?

The company is using calculus to plan their strategy and we are using arithmetic to counter them.

If we fall for this chit, we deserve the screwing we're going to get.

 

[bigjets]

I wonder if AA executives are regretting colluding with IBT, IAM, TWU to keep AMFA out of AA and creating association that would divide us and help manipulate us to whatever the company wants.

I do find it disturbing that the definitions are kept out of AAs posting and that the 401k can be changed at companies will. If we had definitions we might be able to decipher what is meant.

 

[Kev3188]

The company is using calculus to plan their strategy and we are using arithmetic to counter them.

If we fall for this chit, we deserve the screwing we're going to get.

^This^

 

[dfw gen]

The company's strategy,

Delay, delay, delay, to frustrate as many as possible into voting for any crappie POS that has smoke and mirror $ signs in it.

Devide and conquer,

Ambiguous contractual language that you could drive a 777 through.

Include a vote buying early out package to guarantee as many YES voters as possible vote for any thing put in front of them regardless of ambiguous contractual language and bad articles (401k, medical costs, scope, ect...) as long as they "think" they are getting a buyout. Why would anyone selling thier yes vote to the company care about anything else but the package?

The company is using calculus to plan their strategy and we are using arithmetic to counter them.

If we fall for this chit, we deserve the screwing we're going to get.

Yes, and we have many that will buy into it. Then when they read the fine print will cry the union screwed them. How some people are actually able to finction in the real world is amazing.