Alpa Code-a-phone 8/30/04 #2
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blueoceans
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"By and large, if you're not working you're not being paid. "
Imagine that.
Imagine that.
EyeInTheSky
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blueoceans said:
And, I'll add to that if you don't have a back-up plan you are a fool. Imagine that!
BoeingBoy
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blueoceans,
Having had personal experience with getting FAA approval to fly with certain medications (twice, once it took 95 days for approval, the other 87 days), having only a little over 1/2 month sick time maximum doesn't sound particularly appealing.
Jim
Having had personal experience with getting FAA approval to fly with certain medications (twice, once it took 95 days for approval, the other 87 days), having only a little over 1/2 month sick time maximum doesn't sound particularly appealing.
Jim
blueoceans said:
If Jim had elaborated he probably would have stated that most or all pilots would hae no problem with that if they were scheduled efficiently as LUV or JBLU pilots and enjoyed the 15 days off a month they do while still blocking 90 hours. There is nothing that prevents the company from doing that now so in essence removing "rigs, min days, etc." will allow the company to string out schedules to twenty days a month on hotesls and long "productivity breaks" in airports with no financial disincentive to do so. 20 days a month would be fine if they were spent doing 8 or 10 hour shifts and at home every night in your own bed with your family. It is entirely unacceptable to spend 20 days a month on the road, especially when the LCC competition UAIR is trying to mimic provides a better quality of life for its pilots by simply doing what any business is suppose to do whch is manage its assetts efficiently.
EyeInTheSky
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BoeingBoy said:
How about someone who has maxed out their sick bank to 1000 hours? Takes 14 years of NOT CALLING IN SICK to get this. So, now the company wants to hose over their best people. Sounds pathetic doesn't it?
blueoceans
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"most or all pilots would hae no problem with that if they were scheduled efficiently as LUV or JBLU pilots and enjoyed the 15 days off a month they do while still blocking 90 hours."
Ok, I see. But SWA pilots being home 50% of the month still sounds too good to be true. Would I accept a good paying job at a co. where I was away from home for 15 days and then off for 15 days? In a heartbeat. It will never happen, however.
Ok, I see. But SWA pilots being home 50% of the month still sounds too good to be true. Would I accept a good paying job at a co. where I was away from home for 15 days and then off for 15 days? In a heartbeat. It will never happen, however.
EyeInTheSky
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blueoceans said:
blueoceans there are numerous companies that offer this. Apparently, you arent' looking or are not willing to relocate, which is the crux for many people. Point being, there is a life after US Airways and there are other companies that offer just that... a life.
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After a little digging....
Posted by USA320Pilot on June 23, 2004:
"Furthermore, with the news that the company is in discussions with the ATSB to keep the loan guarantee intact while in bankruptcy and management is working on a plan to preserve the stock after the filing, the ALPA MEC -- controlled by the "hardliners" -- elected to provide the company with an initial contract proposal, which is valued at $211 million."
For those who might have forgotten, that first proposal was for a 12.5% pay reduction, 90 hours per month, no furloughs, no downgrades, no changes to the retirement.
The current ALPA proposal (on just these items) contains a 16.5% pay reduction (nearly 1/3 more than original proposal), 95 hours per month (double original proposal), 10% reduction in DC plan contributions, furloughs, and downgrades. Of course, there are other "productivity enhancement" items as well.
Now someone please explain to me how ALPA has decreased the value of it's offer such that now it is "$80 to $100 million" short.
Jim
Posted by USA320Pilot on June 23, 2004:
"Furthermore, with the news that the company is in discussions with the ATSB to keep the loan guarantee intact while in bankruptcy and management is working on a plan to preserve the stock after the filing, the ALPA MEC -- controlled by the "hardliners" -- elected to provide the company with an initial contract proposal, which is valued at $211 million."
For those who might have forgotten, that first proposal was for a 12.5% pay reduction, 90 hours per month, no furloughs, no downgrades, no changes to the retirement.
The current ALPA proposal (on just these items) contains a 16.5% pay reduction (nearly 1/3 more than original proposal), 95 hours per month (double original proposal), 10% reduction in DC plan contributions, furloughs, and downgrades. Of course, there are other "productivity enhancement" items as well.
Now someone please explain to me how ALPA has decreased the value of it's offer such that now it is "$80 to $100 million" short.
Jim
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blueoceans,
You only want to work 15 days a month and have 15 off. It's easy - just work 10-11 hours a day instead of 8 and you've got it, same as us pilots if the company would just schedule us that way.
Problem we have is days like I had today - scheduled for 1 leg with a grand total of 3:52 on duty for 2:37 pay. In this case I got home for most of the day since it was the last day of the trip, but put one of those in the middle of a trip and all that "off" time sitting in a hotel somewhere isn't very gratifying.
Jim
You only want to work 15 days a month and have 15 off. It's easy - just work 10-11 hours a day instead of 8 and you've got it, same as us pilots if the company would just schedule us that way.
Problem we have is days like I had today - scheduled for 1 leg with a grand total of 3:52 on duty for 2:37 pay. In this case I got home for most of the day since it was the last day of the trip, but put one of those in the middle of a trip and all that "off" time sitting in a hotel somewhere isn't very gratifying.
Jim
