Alcoa Signs Agreement With American Air

[TWU informer]

I don't like furloughs any more than the next person, but the reality is that your massive concessions saved thousands of heavy airframe overhaul jobs at TULE, MCIE and AFW, regardless of your constant reminders that some are on furlough.

I agree that the TWU mislead you. But unlike UA, US, NW, CO, DL and all the rest, AA still employs thousands of overhaul mechanics. Including you, no?

UAL still has overhaul maintenance going strong at SFO. And in fact, has in-sourced some work at a profit.

Maybe the misguided direction is keeping three maintenance bases open when your fleet has reached the size it was before TWA acquisition and being maintained by two maintenance bases. Of course the Corporate Welfare program has kept the three bases open, not our concessions.

I think your opinions are misguided that ALL other carriers have outsourced ALL of the overhaul maintenance. You are just repeating what you are told, not stating the facts.

On another note, this is not the first time the TWU has mislead us, and it surely is not the first industry leading concession negotiated by the TWU.

My deep desire to the TWU removed from the property began long before 9/11 and long before the debate was ever about Bankruptcy or Outsourced Work.

According to some Boston Research Group, we are still over manned in M&E, of course being over manned promotes low productivity, and low productivity cannot be the correct business plan regardless of the wage and benefit structure.

 

[aafsc]

UAL still has overhaul maintenance going strong at SFO. And in fact, has in-sourced some work at a profit.

Maybe the misguided direction is keeping three maintenance bases open when your fleet has reached the size it was before TWA acquisition and being maintained by two maintenance bases. Of course the Corporate Welfare program has kept the three bases open, not our concessions.

I think your opinions are misguided that ALL other carriers have outsourced ALL of the overhaul maintenance. You are just repeating what you are told, not stating the facts.

On another note, this is not the first time the TWU has mislead us, and it surely is not the first industry leading concession negotiated by the TWU.

My deep desire to the TWU removed from the property began long before 9/11 and long before the debate was ever about Bankruptcy or Outsourced Work.

According to some Boston Research Group, we are still over manned in M&E, of course being over manned promotes low productivity, and low productivity cannot be the correct business plan regardless of the wage and benefit structure.

I believe that UAL does only engine work at SFO under it's United Services banner. Heavy engine work is not as labor intensive as heavy airframe work. But I beleive that they did farm out all heavy checks on the airframes. Don't they send the 747s and 777s to Asia for heavy checks? Don't they send their narrow bodies to places like AAR in IND (the old UA hangar by the way) and Timco?

 

[FWAAA]

UAL still has overhaul maintenance going strong at SFO. And in fact, has in-sourced some work at a profit.

Maybe the misguided direction is keeping three maintenance bases open when your fleet has reached the size it was before TWA acquisition and being maintained by two maintenance bases. Of course the Corporate Welfare program has kept the three bases open, not our concessions.

I think your opinions are misguided that ALL other carriers have outsourced ALL of the overhaul maintenance. You are just repeating what you are told, not stating the facts.

I may be mistaken. If so, please feel free to correct me.

But note that I said AIRFRAME overhaul. Not ENGINE overhaul. DL performs lots of engine work and yes, UA still overhauls engines at SFO. But AFAIK, no airframe overhaul. As aafsc mentioned, UA widebodies go to China and many of the narrowbodies are now outsourced to the MRO that took over part of the former (but still nearly new) IND UA overhaul base.

So if, as you allege, AA has too many overhaul bases open, and is overstaffed with mechanics, then why the complaints about job loss? Shouldn't AA find a way to close one and furlough a few thousand more mechanics?

 

[Bob Owens]

The subtitle says "more jobs," when should we expect the massive recall?

Hardly, we all know that it only means more work, more work for less pay.

At JFK they have claimed they were going for all sorts of work, but no recalls and no OT,not even replaacing those lost through attrition, they want us to do more within our regular shift, needles to say there wasnt much enthusiasm.

 

[Bill]

Hardly, we all know that it only means more work, more work for less pay.

At JFK they have claimed they were going for all sorts of work, but no recalls and no OT,not even replaacing those lost through attrition, they want us to do more within our regular shift, needles to say there wasnt much enthusiasm.

Oh look, another one who is upset that he has to be accountable. What's up Bobby??? You want everyone else to be accountable, can't you and your buddies be accountable for a good 8 hours of work instead of the the good 3-4 hours of work for 8 hours pay that you had grown so accustomed to????

You have said time and time again that we are overmanned, so it would make sense that attrition losses are not replaced. But instead of that reasoning you cry about having more to do.

It's starting to sound pathetic. Oh poor me, I can't do 8 hours work but I want to get paid for it. You're starting to sound like a bunch of pansies.

 

[TWU informer]

Oh look, another one who is upset that he has to be accountable. What's up Bobby??? You want everyone else to be accountable, can't you and your buddies be accountable for a good 8 hours of work instead of the the good 3-4 hours of work for 8 hours pay that you had grown so accustomed to????

You have said time and time again that we are overmanned, so it would make sense that attrition losses are not replaced. But instead of that reasoning you cry about having more to do.

It's starting to sound pathetic. Oh poor me, I can't do 8 hours work but I want to get paid for it. You're starting to sound like a bunch of pansies.

I guess the part you don't understand is that we gave away the farm to "save the jobs" and the "jobs" are going away along with our pay and benefits.

Does your memory last longer that 10 days? Or have you forgotten everything Jim Little and the propaganda machined spewed during the industry leading concessions? If each man did 8 hours work in my work area, we would be out of work in less than 2 days. Then what are you going to squawk about Mr Company Boot Licker?

 

[Hackman]

Oh look, another one who is upset that he has to be accountable. What's up Bobby??? You want everyone else to be accountable, can't you and your buddies be accountable for a good 8 hours of work instead of the the good 3-4 hours of work for 8 hours pay that you had grown so accustomed to????

You have said time and time again that we are overmanned, so it would make sense that attrition losses are not replaced. But instead of that reasoning you cry about having more to do.

It's starting to sound pathetic. Oh poor me, I can't do 8 hours work but I want to get paid for it. You're starting to sound like a bunch of pansies.

You wouldn't know accountability if it bit you in the ass company bootlicker. The twu bubba believers and "appointed" offical suckups are as worthless as they ever were. On a friday or monday, good luck finding one performing any type of work, that is if they even show up. Its either an early start to the booze induced fog they live in, or the late recovery.

To surmise your an exception to the twu rule billybob is about as hilarious as watching Jimmy Do-little performing Pee-Wee Herman's Big Shoe Dance.

Now return to your twu/management pajama party....your next up for the pivot man position. :unsure:

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

Oh look, another one who is upset that he has to be accountable. What's up Bobby??? You want everyone else to be accountable, can't you and your buddies be accountable for a good 8 hours of work instead of the the good 3-4 hours of work for 8 hours pay that you had grown so accustomed to????

It's starting to sound pathetic. Oh poor me, I can't do 8 hours work but I want to get paid for it. You're starting to sound like a bunch of pansies.

I can't wait to see Bill laid off from Tulsa and then having to bump to JFK to work with Bob. Hope you like working midnights with Tuesday,Thursday off Billy. I would like to see how productive Billy the SLUG is in the middle of the night in the cold NYC winter.

 

[Bob Owens]

You have said time and time again that we are overmanned, so it would make sense that attrition losses are not replaced. But instead of that reasoning you cry about having more to do.

It's starting to sound pathetic. Oh poor me, I can't do 8 hours work but I want to get paid for it. You're starting to sound like a bunch of pansies.

Crying? Hardly, just stating the facts.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Update: 1,383 and climbing.

Update: 1,389 and climbing

 

[MCI transplant]

Update: 1,389 and climbing

<_< --- I'de be pretty safe in saying your protection clause will be history next time arround! Than let's see who crys the loudest!

 

[AMFAMAN]

<_< --- I'de be pretty safe in saying your protection clause will be history next time arround! Than let's see who crys the loudest!

What does that have to do with 1,389 people gone since March 2004 and never replaced with recalls? :huh:

 

[Bob Owens]

<_< --- I'de be pretty safe in saying your protection clause will be history next time arround! Than let's see who crys the loudest!

Why would they bother getting rid of it? It really doesnt mean anything,since the TWU has already demonstrated that they are willing to roll the date back to whatever management demands anyhow and they still have the cushion of all you ex-TWA guys.

How is your lawsuit going? Like I said a long time ago if the contract says that layoffs are done by seniority and the company granted guys with less seniority than you system protection then you are Grandfathered in, how can they lay off a guy with more seniority? Seniority as lay off protection was one of the cornerstones of the labor movement. Prior to unions, companies would often lay off the more senior, higher paid, workers first in order to maximize cost cutting, seniority systems put a stop to that.But then again we are talking about the TWU,which is more like an employee financed HR Dept than a union. I'll bet the TWA guys from MCI sure are glad that they helped kill off the last AMFA drive now.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

"Oh look, another one who is upset that he has to be accountable."

Bill, you talk about accountability? How about posting your real name? h34r:

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Oh look, another one who is upset that he has to be accountable. What's up Bobby??? You want everyone else to be accountable, can't you and your buddies be accountable for a good 8 hours of work instead of the the good 3-4 hours of work for 8 hours pay that you had grown so accustomed to????

You have said time and time again that we are overmanned, so it would make sense that attrition losses are not replaced. But instead of that reasoning you cry about having more to do.

It's starting to sound pathetic. Oh poor me, I can't do 8 hours work but I want to get paid for it. You're starting to sound like a bunch of pansies.

Back in the day we used to do 8 hrs work in 5 hrs. A prime example was the MD-80 engine changes. The B-CK would find a bad blade on the Boro and the line guys would change the engine and have it at the gate for its trip by 6 AM.

There was a time when this was happening all most once a week.

Now you expect the same amount of work after the massive concessions. Sorry Jackass but that aint the way things work around here. Now its safety first the Maintenence manual second and AA third. That is why things take so much longer now days. We are still putting in 8 hrs but because of the strict gudelines of the Maint manuel jobs just take longer. So your 3-4 hrs work for 8 hrs pay is a buch of bull. Unless of course that is what you did during your 8 hour tour. What was your name again...