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Lark,Hawk said:
Okay...If its not true then .."HOW DO YOU KNOW"...??
Please stop spreading disinformation.
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Okay...If its not true then .."HOW DO YOU KNOW"...??
Please stop spreading disinformation.
PITbull
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Allegheny !,
OOPs, Dilligas was right.... I owe you big... a luxury car, summer house, exotic vacation, anything.....you are right.
I now need to wash my keyboard with Klorox!
I get so pissed off. Please accept my apologies for lumping you with those "knuckleheads". I read the first line and went into orbit, a-g-a-i-n.
OOPs, Dilligas was right.... I owe you big... a luxury car, summer house, exotic vacation, anything.....you are right.
I now need to wash my keyboard with Klorox!
I get so pissed off. Please accept my apologies for lumping you with those "knuckleheads". I read the first line and went into orbit, a-g-a-i-n.
PITbull
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MarK,
I was debating whether I should respond to you at all or skip right over you. You never answered the other post on the thread that you went after me personally.
But, then, here we are again.
I responded to Lark in that post. If you are capable of looking at a problem in a "broader" more global sense, than you would understand my comment I made regarding bailouts. With the case of U, I am on the inside looking out, so ofcourse I want my company to succeed in retrospect. But, if I were on the outside looking in, NO WAY would I be in support of using my tax dollars to help a company (any company) stay in business specifically, when they threw on the streets 20,000 employees with their families AFTER the concessions were given and a management that got promoted after every concession with basically the same number of VPs. U is still claiming they are broke, unless you will admit they are lying to the public and the SEC just to gain MORE cost savings from PA and the IAM? Management is still claiming "they will cease to exist"...so where's the ATSB money? TAx payer bailout money? Did that all go down the poop shoot? So, now you want me to be biased, instead of objective? What is it with you Mark? You say you have no alligence to company or union? You're above post states different. I read it twice and I see you have an aligence to me, me, me, I, I. As long as the company exists for YOUR survival, life is grand.
U management has used every vehicle from every loophole known to mankind to stay in business to line their own pockets. The only time they blink is when they fear they may liquidate and lose their own jobs...are you in that catagory too. The hell with anyone who loses their job, as long as its not YOU? Don't want anyone to rain on your parade, now do we..."hey, we want U to do well, as long as the furlough doesn't reach me"...right?
The way I see it now, is you were not concerned about the 20,000 that are on the street, and according to your posts, you still imply we have too many employees specifically f/as on reserve, and those who sit at home and play sick in your view. You're still looking to reduce costs on the backs of Labor. How much stock do you have my friend?
You fraustrate me.
I was debating whether I should respond to you at all or skip right over you. You never answered the other post on the thread that you went after me personally.
But, then, here we are again.
I responded to Lark in that post. If you are capable of looking at a problem in a "broader" more global sense, than you would understand my comment I made regarding bailouts. With the case of U, I am on the inside looking out, so ofcourse I want my company to succeed in retrospect. But, if I were on the outside looking in, NO WAY would I be in support of using my tax dollars to help a company (any company) stay in business specifically, when they threw on the streets 20,000 employees with their families AFTER the concessions were given and a management that got promoted after every concession with basically the same number of VPs. U is still claiming they are broke, unless you will admit they are lying to the public and the SEC just to gain MORE cost savings from PA and the IAM? Management is still claiming "they will cease to exist"...so where's the ATSB money? TAx payer bailout money? Did that all go down the poop shoot? So, now you want me to be biased, instead of objective? What is it with you Mark? You say you have no alligence to company or union? You're above post states different. I read it twice and I see you have an aligence to me, me, me, I, I. As long as the company exists for YOUR survival, life is grand.
U management has used every vehicle from every loophole known to mankind to stay in business to line their own pockets. The only time they blink is when they fear they may liquidate and lose their own jobs...are you in that catagory too. The hell with anyone who loses their job, as long as its not YOU? Don't want anyone to rain on your parade, now do we..."hey, we want U to do well, as long as the furlough doesn't reach me"...right?
The way I see it now, is you were not concerned about the 20,000 that are on the street, and according to your posts, you still imply we have too many employees specifically f/as on reserve, and those who sit at home and play sick in your view. You're still looking to reduce costs on the backs of Labor. How much stock do you have my friend?
You fraustrate me.
strike facts
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The judge will rule in the company's favor. The company will contend that it doesn't have the facilities or money to spend outside its business plan. The IAM's iron clad language is not so iron clad.
I saw a comment about other groups in sympathy. Those members need to be careful.
Has the IAM instructed ramp service of the legal ramifications of sympathizing for a mechanic? Would a mechanic walk for ramp service? Has the IAM instructed ramp service on the sever consequences of being left outside during a force majeure? I dont know if they have but I'm sure the IAM will put its chest out and say any force majeure will be illegal. They did the same thing with 911 and ramp service needs to be wise and remember what happened to their 911 greivances and who ultimately won that position.
I have seen some more solidarity within my group though and although I know we won't have the same support as we did before but I think support is growing. The problem is that too many of our members think only about themselves and the IAM has done nothing to build solidarity. I will cross also unless I am fully informed and right now I am not. I need the IAM to guarantee for me that they will not sign anything without first protecting those who walk. The reason for this is the force majeure that I have been told the company will almost with certainty use and they will claim that any strike or strike talk has hurt its revenue and it will need 9 months to recoup it. Remember, in cases of acts of god, strikes, etc.?
I saw a comment about other groups in sympathy. Those members need to be careful.
Has the IAM instructed ramp service of the legal ramifications of sympathizing for a mechanic? Would a mechanic walk for ramp service? Has the IAM instructed ramp service on the sever consequences of being left outside during a force majeure? I dont know if they have but I'm sure the IAM will put its chest out and say any force majeure will be illegal. They did the same thing with 911 and ramp service needs to be wise and remember what happened to their 911 greivances and who ultimately won that position.
I have seen some more solidarity within my group though and although I know we won't have the same support as we did before but I think support is growing. The problem is that too many of our members think only about themselves and the IAM has done nothing to build solidarity. I will cross also unless I am fully informed and right now I am not. I need the IAM to guarantee for me that they will not sign anything without first protecting those who walk. The reason for this is the force majeure that I have been told the company will almost with certainty use and they will claim that any strike or strike talk has hurt its revenue and it will need 9 months to recoup it. Remember, in cases of acts of god, strikes, etc.?
nycbusdriver
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I must take exceptionj to your assertion that the flying public has a long memory. Their memory can be measured in days, if not hours.TheLarkAscending said:
After the mainline maintenance screw-up at ORD with the American Airlines DC-10 in 1979, did American even skip a beat? Forklift Joe Leonard went on to run a very successful discounter called Air Tran. So much for long term memory.
After the mainline maintenance debacle over the Pacific Ocean with the Alaska MD-80 a few years back, did Alaska go out of business? They are, in fact, about the most successful of the "old school" carriers in these troubled times.
Even the tragedy with the USAirways Express 1900 in CLT has not caused our BE1900's to leave the gates empty.
Long memory? In your dreams.
ITRADE
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Well, yes and no. While AirTran has been successful, the VJ 592 incident did basically bury the company. Sabertech is synonomous with mud these days.nycbusdriver said:
And USAir basically had to change its name to US Airways to erase the stigma of the 1994 incidents.
Strikefacts, with so many bays unused right now (2 CLT plus the line hangar), plus PIT, plus the closing of TPA, the company does not have much of a facility argument to stand on. The company already got hit once in the AirMotive deal that they could not close or sell facilities to circumvent a CBA. I don't think it will be a judge or jury, but rrather an arbitrator, but the company will not win IMO.
BillLumbergh
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MMMkay....We're gonna do some thread combining.
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