Alabama Bound

[ONTHESTREET]

I support the company on the outsourcing topic. We must lower labor costs to remain competitive. HP does not perform most of their own work. Dave was correct when he stated that we would be making money if the labor costs were equal to Jetblue.

Most of the iam members that I speak with will not strike. They are not willing to risk their good salaries and retirement to save a few younger members. Unions are all about feeding their young to the lion.

I smell fear!!!!!

The company appears to be screwed if they outsource the work and it looks like they know it.


Interesting times.



By the way, I met two Exec Jet pilots the other day who refused to fly on a U Express Beech 1900 for crew repositioning to their airplane. Their reason that they refused their Cheif pilots orders to ride the 1900? "The maint. outsourcing has already killed people and my job is not worth my life" Their words not mine. They were rescheduled on a DAL 73 and got there late for the flight but with no repercussions from their company.

If other pilots won't ride on outsourced work, how comfortable is the general public going to be?

 

[Hawk]

As of 22:30 Sunday Night (Oct 5) a fellow worker called me and told me that a Airbus was scheduled for a trip to ALABAMA in the morning.

That is not true. Please stop spreading rumors.

 

[PITbull]

Hawk,


Please run up there and remind your cohorts that last summer 2002, the IAM VOTED DOWN THEIR CONTRACT IN THE FIRST RUN....I REPEAT, VOTED DOWN THEIR CONCESSIONS.

But management forced the IAM leadership to REEDUCATE their members on the fact that WE WERE IN BK, AND THAT THEY (MANAGMENT) WOULD REQUEST ABROGATION OF THEIR ENTIRE CONTRACT INCLUDING THEIR SCOPE.

This management was only able to convince less than 70 IAM members to switch their vote, and the catalyst was to save that scope language while in BK. WE ARE OUT OF BK. Now, you come for it citing a "flaw" or hole in the language. What do you think? Those IAM members will sit on the sidelines and watch you take their jobs one by one in the next couple of years????? Do you think the crews will fly knowing that they are flying on a machine whose maintenance was given to some foreign vendor.... in Alabama, no less.

What's Dr. Bone head (Bronner) up to? Running for governor next year of Alabama and stealing our jobs to make a name for himself in his home state?

Man, please notify your "shrink" and tell him you need new psych medication... cause the one you are on is making you delusional! Tell'em and RN sent you and you need it with great speed.

 

[pitguy]

It appears that management is getting a little weak in the knees with their posts on here.

 

[N628AU]

Smoke and Mirrors...

Do you support the company putting a large financial penalty on the work if it is not done on time. Do you want to ride the first aircraft that left the barn before it should have? Previous issues with the airlines being responsible for terminal secureity and then outsourcing it should show you the dangers of putting a safety sensitive issue at the hands of the lowest bidder.

 

[F/AinDay]

Hawk,




...What's Dr. Bone head (Bronner) up to? Running for governor next year of Alabama and stealing our jobs to make a name for himself in his home state?

Man, please notify you "shrink" and tell him you need new psych medication... cause the one you are on is making you delusional! Tell'em and RN sent you and you need it with great speed.

PitBull... You are awesome!

 

[Teflon]

Aircraft 700 is in CLT tonight for the RON, just got home from work and it is sitting on B-4.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

As to the express guys refusing to fly an aircraft handled by outsourced maint....good for them. We used to have a policy in the AF many years ago that if you doubted the repairs you recieved, you could ask the mechanic to fly with you on the next flight. Not fearing my actual safety, I only did it once. It was a very powerful tool. Outsourced repairs will be the death of airline safety.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

Outsourced repairs will be the death of airline safety.

I have to agree with your comment. The general public has a long memory. This management technique of playing a fast and loose game of Three Card Monte is nothing to take lightly.

I believe the ultimate corporate goal is to be in a position of no liability or accountability for anything that may occur at anytime in the future. Consider that if they're successful and outsource the maintenance, what will prevent them from re-interpreting the next group's contract so that they can hire independent contractors to fly the planes and outsouce flight attendant positions, too. If anyone believes that it is only airbus maintenance, you're absolutely fooling yourselves.

Examine the historical evolution of any large US corporation over the last 10 years. What was once in-house ops, is now outsourced. Some outsourced jobs are now outside of the US.

When will it end?

 

[PITbull]

Lark,

It won't end unless the American workers take a stand, focus, and put pressure on their legislators. It must change on the legislative end. The PIT president of AFA has spoken to Specter and has asked him to stay vigilant with bills that come on the floor and hurt the American Worker. The Dells of the world are outsourcing the labor for cheap wages, and then have the audacity to bring that product back to the US for the American worker to purchase at high cost. This is just one egregious example. There are many to cite. We are a nation of Credit. That is why we are able to live in decent standards...until the credit gets out of hand and then, one by one, we go into BK. If there is no work or livable wage jobs in the US, then we will eventually become a poor nation. There should be STIFF penalties and tariffs on products brought back in to US when they are NOT made in US. No one should buy them in US,and the gov. should give no tax credit to a corporation that furloughs employees and takes their product abroad to be made. Corporations that hire and maintain livable wage jobs, should get all the tax credits available. They should be given incentives for stimulating job growth to the MAX and given as much relief to keep job and maintain jobs. Sorry, went off topic.

Last point...there should be NO relief of any kind to any corporation that furloughs its employees. NO TAX PAYER bailouts! The government should take a lesson learned from the airline industry of the type of deception, and misrepresentation that has been used to steal tax payer dollars to stay in business while thousands and thousands are on the street using tax payer dollars to salvage crippling airlines that still can't walk without crutches. In the airline industry, a couple of major airlines should have been let go to their own demise. This would have corrected the industry without using tax payer dollars.

PS: Good thing that airbus is sitting in CLT. Monday should be uneventful.

 

[MarkMyWords]

A320 Driver said: "But until that first airplane leaves, technically no violation of your contract has occured. If and when it does it will set off a chain of events (suits, injunctions etc.) to provide you with a legal remedy for the contract violation. It will take time and that is a sad reality considering all the folks we have out of work waiting for a slot to return. Illegal job actions anger the public and erode their confidence."

I would like to commend the MTC employees for their continued level-headedness during these tough times. With rumors running like wild fire, they have maintained a status quo when it comes to work reliability. As proof of that, we had a 100% completion day on Sunday. You have my gratitude and respect in remaining calm until the first airplane is off property and hopefully throughout the process the union will have to go through to get your work back. I am with you 100% on this issue.

To Bob and others on there that comment on the outsourcing of mtc to third party vendors...let me once again ask you this: Do you feel that United is now an unsafe airline? What about AA, HP, WN, FL, CO, DL, NW? Nearly every airline outsources a portion of their heavy work (I wish I had the numbers, but I don't). Bob, do you only fly US because we do all our heavy mtc in house? To use a recent tragedy to further your cause is very sad. Stand on the merrits that the work is yours per your contract, that is the better arguement. When/if you fly another carrier, do you ask if the mtc is done in house or not? Using fear and skewd facts to intimidate our customers will not help your cause. USFlyer is right, people in glass houses...............I will say that if things don't go in the favor of the IAM and the work remains contracted out, I agree with Bob that I want to know what steps are being taken to ensure the same level of work as our mechanics wold provide. I do not like the idea of there being a penalty associated with late work. There are just to many variables involved with taking apart an airplane that could cause the need for additional time...to fine the company and rush the work does not seem to be a safe business practice to me.

PitBull - I think you owe Allegheny1 an apology and need to reread his post. He is more or less saying that if management wants to compare us to JetBlue from the stance of cost structure, then management should lead by example and reduce their salaries 60% to equal what they make at JetBlue.

Teflon and SmartestLoser.....as of this time there are no aircraft scheduled to ferry to Alabama. Check the flight tables and see for yourself. There is one PHL-PIT maintenance ferry schdeuled and aircraft 700 is scheduled to depart CLT at 0830 on a revenue flight. Remain calm, get the facts and don't spread rumors. you will only get yourself into trouble if you over ract to something that hasn't happened yet.

 

[MarkMyWords]

Last point...there should be NO relief of any kind to any corporation that furloughs its employees. NO TAX PAYER bailouts! The government should take a lesson learned from the airline industry of the type of deception, and misrepresentation that has been used to steal tax payer dollars to stay in business while thousands and thousands are on the street using tax payer dollars to salvage crippling airlines that still can't walk without crutches. In the airline industry, a couple of major airlines should have been let go to their own demise. This would have corrected the industry without using tax payer dollars.

PS: Good thing that airbus is sitting in CLT. Monday should be uneventful.

I don't get it....you claim to be all about the company and it's employees, but then you make statements like this. Without out the ATSB loan guarantes (Government backed money) we would have ceased to exsist. Are you saying we would have been better off just left to die on the vine? That is real support for your company and YOUR employees.

And how does that relate to the topic of this thread?

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

Speaking of jetblue, in the latest edition of the Airport Press there is a front page article about them breaking ground on a three bay hangar at JFK, scheduled for completion in December of 2004.

Imagine that, the darling of the LCC set building a hangar...

 

[allegheny1]

PITBULL

I guess the battle is fully joined now because you can t tell friend from foe.

As a card carrying union member i demand an apology.

food or my favorite chilled beverage is preferable.

please reread the post on page 2

thanks

 

[Dilligas]

allegheny1... Perhaps PB read only the first line and then the BP went sky high and fingers raced to the keyboard... :blink:
I got your intent and use of irony loud and clear.

and PITbull don't u dare call me the M word...


PS... that food will now cost you ten dollars