Aircraft maint issues

[MetalMover]

53 years they haven't done anything and they ABSOLUTELY aren't going to now.

11 votes on that AMFA poll thread too BTW.

Better than the 8 write in votes at LUS though. Something to claim you're winning!!!

Weaz, since you're going to bring up the past, please don't fail to mention the AMFA drive where both the company and the TWU allowed retired, members turned management and even DEAD people to participate.
Also please remember, the current management gave the recent substantial pay increase toTWU members WITHOUT a contract...You can't pat the TWU on the back for that one. But they did give cross utilization at US/AA combined stations and a 9 year pay scale.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weaz, since you're going to bring up the past, please don't fail to mention the AMFA drive where both the company and the TWU allowed retired, members turned management and even DEAD people to participate.
Also please remember, the current management gave the recent substantial pay increase toTWU members WITHOUT a contract...You can't pat the TWU on the back for that one. But they did give cross utilization at US/AA combined stations and a 9 year pay scale.

Alright so we ONLY recognize the Company for agreeing to give us money. Well I guess it is their bank accounts right. And we condemn the TWU for giving something in return?

Why do I get the sneaky feeling that if AMFA had done the same thing I'd be reading here that AMFA was incredibly creative and sheer genius for fighting for and beating the Company to get you guys raises?

That's the hypocrisy I read from most of you on this thread constantly Metal. AMFA has never and never will be faulted for anything because she's the beauty you long for as a perfect fantasy woman in your minds. Again the fantasy can never have any faults.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Not ridden on A/C Maintenance coat tails? Now that is funny. It wasn't that long ago thay A/C Maintenance had P/T baggage handlers voting on our contracts as well. None of us AMTs thought it was fair that some pt ramper was voting on our issues while receiving identical benefits. That was our introduction into the collective. It wasn't until A/C maintenance got their own locals - that some separation, and true representation for AMTs began. Well now, times have changed - seems we are going backwards again. AMTs have been used and abused by the industrial unions, the companies, and the government - both the FAA, and NMB. They saddle AMTs up with the unskilled minions to dilute AMTs from voting to get out of the muck known as indusrial unions. Anybody that can't see that is in complete denial. The evidence is there, we have experienced it first hand. Maybe after Tulsa gets its stool pushed in, they will wake up, and see what their wonderful union has done for them. If we had the AMFA going into to this merger, it would be safe to say we would have had a contract by now.

Again that has NOTHING to do with your average FSC. That has everything to do with your UNION.

The average FSC has no more control over their contract than you do yours.

That is not to say you have not made valid points about the TWU making dues a priority over your future.

Read what I said, not what you THINK I said.

 

[ATD]

The Association is the quickest way to a contract. I kept hearing this from the TWU lackeys.
Unions are a business, and its members are the goods to be treated like commodities. The only good they do now, is to keep the Co from firing you at will...

 

[Vortilon]

Again that has NOTHING to do with your average FSC. That has everything to do with your UNION.



Read what I said, not what you THINK I said.

Your point is understood; however, it doesn't change the point that the TWU leadership has latched Title III's wagon to title 1's with the whole "me too clause". I heard it first hand from one of our negotiating team members about 7 years ago. So, if isn't bad enough AMTs are saddled with the "and relateds", they now have an additional boat anchor around their collective necks known as title 3 with their "me too clause".

 

[Vortilon]

53 years they haven't done anything and they ABSOLUTELY aren't going to now.

11 votes on that AMFA poll thread too BTW.

Better than the 8 write in votes at LUS though. Something to claim you're winning!!!

You haven't lived it from an AMTs perspective. As if you're going to post something on here to convince AMTs who have actually seen what happened first hand, and experienced the results - it isn't going to happen. Your rep on this board is that of a troll that sticks his nose in where it really doesn't belong. 8 votes, I could walk around the hangar collecting signatures right now, and have 25 signatures within 15 minutes. 11 votes on the poll for AMFA? I see no write ins for the industrial unions.

 

[1AA]

May 18, 2017

To the Membership of Local 591:

As AMT Day 2017 nears, we are asking our members to think about the irony of celebrating such a day when we have been engaged in negotiations for over a year. After hearing from many members who have said it would send the wrong message if we celebrated the day with American’s management team, since we have not reached a JCBA. Local 591 believes that it would be best in our best interest to request that American donate any food, they were going to provide to our members, to future AMT’s. We have asked American to make a food donation to a local aviation training school or local food bank, on behalf of the TWU Local 591 membership, in each of our locations. In Dallas, we have asked that the donation be made to the Aviation Maintenance Academy on behalf of the member’s of TWU Local 591, jointly with Local 567. Since the school is smaller than the number of meals our members would have received, we are asking that American Airlines donate the rest of the food to an area food bank on behalf of both Local 567 & 591.

TWU Local 591 believes that we must stop allowing management to think that a simple meal is enough to meet our member’s needs, while we continue to negotiate for a JCBA. We have been in contact with the IAM and Local 514 as well and they will speak for their member’s in their stations. It seems apparent that the more we all do collectively, in the spirit of unionism, the sooner American’s management team will realize that the majority of our members are fed up with the time it is taking to reach a JCBA.

We never want to take a meal from our members, but we feel that celebrating AMT Day with American would be hypocritical at this point of negotiations, and as a sign of solidarity we ask you to join us while our negotiating team fights for the JCBA. Also, by asking American to donate the meals to those future AMT’s who may one day work for American, we are introducing them to what a fraternal organization like TWU stands for.

We thank you and appreciate your support, as unionists, by joining together in celebration of our AMT members - on AMT Day; and as we negotiate towards the JCBA our members so rightfully deserve.


Gary Peterson
President


Download:
AMT Day 2017 Presidents Letter 5-18-17.pdf

 

[bigjets]

Finally some direction from GP

Just thought of this, IF we are going to do layoffs and where you can go by seniority (IAM way, where you go where your seniority can take you, with no recall rights anymore, and no more looking for open spots along with no more manipulation by union leaders to look out for themselves) and IF TULE gets another big layoff, those guys at dfw and dwh must be sweating it.

 

[WeAAsles]

You haven't lived it from an AMTs perspective. As if you're going to post something on here to convince AMTs who have actually seen what happened first hand, and experienced the results - it isn't going to happen. Your rep on this board is that of a troll that sticks his nose in where it really doesn't belong. 8 votes, I could walk around the hangar collecting signatures right now, and have 25 signatures within 15 minutes. 11 votes on the poll for AMFA? I see no write ins for the industrial unions.

1983
1995
2003
2012

Those were the years where you had the best shot to make it happen and it didn't? Now in 2017 after you just received dramatic pay increases you would think there's a shot? Seriously.

Call me whatever you want. I have lots of different reputations anyway and don't care about any of them at all.

Deep down though you all know for a FACT I'm right. And it has nothing at all with disagreeing with what YOU want. I've never tried to convince any of you what to do. Never said ever "You guys should do this"

You're collective group never wanted to change. (No excuses acceptable)

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Finally some direction from GP

Just thought of this, IF we are going to do layoffs and where you can go by seniority (IAM way, where you go where your seniority can take you, with no recall rights anymore, and no more looking for open spots along with no more manipulation by union leaders to look out for themselves) and IF TULE gets another big layoff, those guys at dfw and dwh must be sweating it.

Um, nope not sweating it a bit. It would take a near compete shutdown of Tulsa to effect us in a significant way.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Your rep on this board is that of a troll that sticks his nose in where it really doesn't belong.

You are being kind. His rep is MUCH worse than that.


I said the same thing (more or less) Friday of last week.

I would be more concerned about your lowly reputation if I were you WeAAsles.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Your point is understood; however, it doesn't change the point that the TWU leadership has latched Title III's wagon to title 1's with the whole "me too clause". I heard it first hand from one of our negotiating team members about 7 years ago. So, if isn't bad enough AMTs are saddled with the "and relateds", they now have an additional boat anchor around their collective necks known as title 3 with their "me too clause".

OK, you made your point.

 

[WeAAsles]

You are being kind. His rep is MUCH worse than that.


I said the same thing (more or less) Friday of last week.

Well lesson learned. Never try to be civil with Toilet Flush.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Well lesson learned. Never try to be civil with Toilet Flush.

Did I or did I not say that last Friday?

What, did you think because we were having a semblance of a conversation we are all the sudden pals?

What Vortilon said is the truth and he is not the first person who has said it. Neither am I for that matter.

If YOU don't like the rep YOU EARNED then perhaps YOU should change YOUR behavior.

 

[WeAAsles]

Did I or did I not say that last Friday?

What, did you think because we were having a semblance of a conversation we are all the sudden pals?

What Vortilon said is the truth and he is not the first person who has said it. Neither am I for that matter.

If YOU don't like the rep YOU EARNED then perhaps YOU should change YOUR behavior.

You think I'm going to pander to or coddle "some" of these clowns here on these boards? "Most" of these guys here are nothing more than a mutual circle jerk self admiration society reading over and over the same book with an ending that never will change.

And you freely admit you come here to mess with these people. You've said it yourself. You reel them in over and over like dopey fish who keep biting the same lure.

BTW Toiletflush I only started to pay some attention to you cause the pages were dead and I'm bored. Hope you enjoyed my shiny plastic lure.

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