Aircraft maint issues

Good Lord! Why so many looking to go to DFW?? It seems a lot to me but may be nothing for you guys, just curious...

It is due to the closure of AFW. All those former AFW guys trying to get home.
 
Looks like GP's got a nice "red circle" around DFW.

IMO....Payback for the way AFW/TAESL used to red circle everything to keep seniority out.

Payback is a Mofo!

Red circle? I don't remember an red circle to "keep seniority out" . Please jog my memory.
 
I see. A sad reality of rif's. I hope everyone can get back home, I wish them all the luck.

The sad reality is this the juniority system at work, about as anti union as it gets. We have guys with less seniority on payroll locally, while more senior guys are commuting or on the street. Those hit by the base closure have had their careers turned upside down. Where once they had good shifts and days off. Now they are stuck commuting and/or with undesirable shifts and days off. Now queue the guys with the "you had a chance to leave afw". Very few of us would willingly give up what that good gig. That's just human nature. I'm sure most of the career line guys would hold on to those good days off and shifts if given the same chance. They would be just as bummed had roles been reversed. They would be screaming bloody murder if exposed to the juniority RIF process. It is what it is. I'm hoping we adopt the straight seniority system for the next RIF.
 
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I was reading the pilots are upset about the profit sharing. I can agree with them. 2% is not very good. I know some of you people say some money is better than none. My management in maintenance will receive more than 2%. I don’t want PS! I want my pay to increase with a good contract.
 
The sad reality is this the juniority system at work, about as anti union as it gets. We have guys with less seniority on payroll locally, while more senior guys are commuting or on the street. Those hit by the base closure have had their careers turned upside down. Where once they had good shifts and days off. Now they are stuck commuting and/or with undesirable shifts and days off. Now queue the guys with the "you had a chance to leave afw". Very few of us would willingly give up what that good gig. That's just human nature. I'm sure most of the career line guys would hold on to those good days off and shifts if given the same chance. They would be just as bummed had roles been reversed. They would be screaming bloody murder if exposed to the juniority RIF process. It is what it is. I'm hoping we adopt the straight seniority system for the next RIF.

Ah, the juniority system. Trying to explain it to some of my coworkers is like speaking Chinese. They just don't get it. And to think it could be coming our way.

But then again, who knows? With the lack of information over the last few years of negotiations, and that being the IAM way of negotiating, I guess we will all find out when they release the "bullet point list" within the next few years.

Welcome to the IAM, BTW.
 
The sad reality is this the juniority system at work, about as anti union as it gets. We have guys with less seniority on payroll locally, while more senior guys are commuting or on the street. Those hit by the base closure have had their careers turned upside down. Where once they had good shifts and days off. Now they are stuck commuting and/or with undesirable shifts and days off. Now queue the guys with the "you had a chance to leave afw". Very few of us would willingly give up what that good gig. That's just human nature. I'm sure most of the career line guys would hold on to those good days off and shifts if given the same chance. They would be just as bummed had roles been reversed. They would be screaming bloody murder if exposed to the juniority RIF process. It is what it is. I'm hoping we adopt the straight seniority system for the next RIF.

That sounds real good until you consider these facts:

Most of the guys you are referring to more than likely were spared layoff by the utilization of the juniority list at some point in time previously because they were not the junior station during layoff, if i recall AFW actually had a red circle during one layoff. But now that its working against them, they dont like it (sound familiar).

The line guys had the opporunity to go to overhaul and get these great shifts and vacations, they chose not to.

The line guys have been exposed to the juniority list, not sure why you think this isnt the case.
 
I was reading the pilots are upset about the profit sharing. I can agree with them. 2% is not very good. I know some of you people say some money is better than none. My management in maintenance will receive more than 2%. I don’t want PS! I want my pay to increase with a good contract.

Take a stand, cash your check and make a video of you burning the money to show how much you dont want it.
 
That sounds real good until you consider these facts:

Most of the guys you are referring to more than likely were spared layoff by the utilization of the juniority list at some point in time previously because they were not the junior station during layoff, if i recall AFW actually had a red circle during one layoff. But now that its working against them, they dont like it (sound familiar).

The line guys had the opporunity to go to overhaul and get these great shifts and vacations, they chose not to.

The line guys have been exposed to the juniority list, not sure why you think this isnt the case.

Never said line guys had not been exposed. Now how do you suppose a DFW guy with 1990 seniority would feel getting bumped to LAX. While a DWH guy with 1999 seniority stayed put, unaffected. My point being our system is broken. It in no way benefits or considers the affected members seniority.
 
Never said line guys had not been exposed. Now how do you suppose a DFW guy with 1990 seniority would feel getting bumped to LAX. While a DWH guy with 1999 seniority stayed put, unaffected. My point being our system is broken. It in no way benefits or considers the affected members seniority.


How did you get such a broken system? I'm guessing sometime in the past, it was voted in. Category seniority should rule system wide. That is the only fair and proper way IMO.
 
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