Aircraft maint issues

[MetalMover]

The twin-bay wide-body hangar will house the airline’s Boeing 777-300ER aircraft, which are the largest twin-jet aircraft in use today and consequently feature the biggest diameter turbofan engines of any commercial airliner. The new hangar will provide a state-of-the-art environment in which extensive heavy maintenance can be performed, up to and including engine and landing gear replacements.

http://www.aaoutsourcing.com/

The hangar in Brazil will be staffed by AA employees. Work being done in China and El Salvador is outsourcing. Do you consider mechanics working for AA in London, Paris and Japan outsourcing? The Caribbean? How can a company be a worldwide airline without hiring their own employees to work their aircraft?
Funny, the union didn't give a hoot when mechanics lost deicing and pushbacks to fleet service many moons ago....Oh, right, that wasn't outsourcing because the TWU agreed to give the work to other union members.
And as for the quality of mechanics being hired in Brazil, they are being lured away from LATAM with better pay and benefits. and they are already BOEING trained.!

 

[WeAAsles]

The hangar in Brazil will be staffed by AA employees. Work being done in China and El Salvador is outsourcing. Do you consider mechanics working for AA in London, Paris, Germany and Japan outsourcing? The Caribbean? How can a company be a worldwide airline without hiring their own employees to work their aircraft?
Funny, the union didn't give a hoot when mechanics lost deicing and pushbacks to fleet service many moons ago....Oh, right, that wasn't outsourcing because the TWU agreed to give the work to other union members.

Metal I consider ANY work that can be done here in the USA by employees of American Airlines under contract by one of our Unions and not within our Collective Bargaining Agreement to be outsourced. I also consider deicing and pushbacks yes to have been outsourced outside of your CBA no matter how many moons ago it happened and whether it was agreed to or not.

Oh and if some of the info in the website is slightly disingenuous or not doesn’t matter in the slightest to me. Politicians and Corporations play all sorts of their own games of Hardball and Spin and it’s damn nice to see our own Union for a change throwing the ball back.

Or should we just believe all the Isom film flam he’s trying to sell at those roadshows?

Metal in a perfect World you take back your Deicing and Pushback Jobs and we’ll take back Cabin Service, Fueling, and Mail. Ok?

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh and Metal aren’t most of those people who negotiated away those deicing jobs DEAD today?

Any chance we’ll ever let them rot or do we keep digging them up until we’re done and rotting ourselves?

 

[MetalMover]

Metal I consider ANY work that can be done here in the USA by employees of American Airlines under contract by one of our Unions and not within our Collective Bargaining Agreement to be outsourced. I also consider deicing and pushbacks yes to have been outsourced outside of your CBA no matter how many moons ago it happened and whether it was agreed to or not.

Oh and if some of the info in the website is slightly disingenuous or not doesn’t matter in the slightest to me. Politicians and Corporations play all sorts of their own games of Hardball and Spin and it’s damn nice to see our own Union for a change throwing the ball back.

Or should we just believe all the Isom film flam he’s trying to sell at those roadshows?

Metal in a perfect World you take back your Deicing and Pushback Jobs and we’ll take back Cabin Service, Fueling, and Mail. Ok?

I have to disagree with you on the outsourcing, WeAAs..AA has employees all over the globe....I do not consider work done by those employees to be outsourced work. Vendors doing work contracted by AA is outsourcing, plain and simple.
The reason I bring up deicing is because it is one of those jobs that has been outsourced by other carriers.
My union did NOT consider it outsourcing when it happened in the 80's. They did not care to put up a fight then like they do now. So now that outsourcing is no longer exclusive to aircraft maintenance, there is a far larger uproar because it will affect fleet service, facilities maintenance and automotive.
As for your question, I do not care anymore about deicing and pushing planes back. I am too far along in this game to have any desire to do those things again. It's all yours......except for the deicing of course being in Miami and all.
And not all those people who started giving away the store are rotting yet.
Also, I don't believe anyone's flim flam and that includes the unions'.

 

[WeAAsles]

I have to disagree with you on the outsourcing, WeAAs..AA has employees all over the globe....I do not consider work done by those employees to be outsourced work. Vendors doing work contracted by AA is outsourcing, plain and simple.
The reason I bring up deicing is because it is one of those jobs that has been outsourced by other carriers.
My union did NOT consider it outsourcing when it happened in the 80's. They did not care to put up a fight then like they do now. So now that outsourcing is no longer exclusive to aircraft maintenance, there is a far larger uproar because it will affect fleet service, facilities maintenance and automotive.
As for your question, I do not care anymore about deicing and pushing planes back. I am too far along in this game to have any desire to do those things again. It's all yours......except for the deicing of course being in Miami and all.
And not all those people who started giving away the store are rotting yet.
Also, I don't believe anyone's flim flam and that includes the unions'.

It’s really not about that at all anymore Metal. Many of us now have just been around long enough to watch the industry chop off one body part at a time over the years. And if we can’t grow any back anymore we’re just not going to let them chop off any more.

Metal BTW who do you REALLY think all these protests all over the Country are for? They’re not for me and the jobs we do. They’re for your jobs. And Fleet guys that are helping out and participating are well aware of that. The public don’t give a rats ass if I can clean their cabins for $30 or not. They might give at least a little bit of care if a plane crashes into their neighborhood someday.

Metal have you seen anything in any of these protests talk about anything but Aircraft Maintenance? I don’t know how much more any of these guys who are running the TWU now are supposed to do?

Should they rent a Russian Rocket and stick a banner on the Moon?????

 

[WeAAsles]

Metal in your career which is longer than mine have you EVER seen the TWU (People) put in more effort than you’re seeing right now?

 

[MetalMover]

It’s really not about that at all anymore Metal. Many of us now have just been around long enough to watch the industry chop off one body part at a time over the years. And if we can’t grow any back anymore we’re just not going to let them chop off any more.

Metal BTW who do you REALLY think all these protests all over the Country are for? They’re not for me and the jobs we do. They’re for your jobs. And Fleet guys that are helping out and participating are well aware of that. The public don’t give a rats ass if I can clean their cabins for $30 or not. They might give at least a little bit of care if a plane crashes into their neighborhood someday.

Metal have you seen anything in any of these protests talk about anything but Aircraft Maintenance? I don’t know how much more any of these guys who are running the TWU now are supposed to do?

Should they rent a Russian Rocket and stick a banner on the Moon?????

Sadly, the flying public does not care who maintains the aircraft they fly on either. I would imagine they have enough faith in the system where they don't feel the need to be concerned.

 

[MetalMover]

Metal in your career which is longer than mine have you EVER seen the TWU (People) put in more effort than you’re seeing right now?

Admittedly, no. But the lack of that effort over my career has made me weary and skeptical.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sadly, the flying public does not care who maintains the aircraft they fly on either. I would imagine they have enough faith in the system where they don't feel the need to be concerned.

So does that mean we stop trying to whack them over the head with it? President Trump ran on the outsourcing of American jobs and he should be held to task for it IMO.

BTW here’s another article from my hometown of Queens NY. No mention of Freight or Cabin Service in this article either.

http://queenstribune.com/transportation-workers-union-pickets-american-airlines-nyc/

 

[WeAAsles]

Admittedly, no. But the lack of that effort over my career has made me weary and skeptical.

I “think” this guy John Samuelsen is the real deal? There are a ton of articles out there on the guy. And he’s been winning over some guys I know that felt just like you before they met him.

Search out some of the articles out there and make up your own mind on him. And there’s a video of him with a bullhorn in Times Square they’re putting together I was told.

 

[WeAAsles]

In this picture are the IAM Maintenance Negotiators.

 

[topDawg]

Metal I consider ANY work that can be done here in the USA by employees of American Airlines under contract by one of our Unions and not within our Collective Bargaining Agreement to be outsourced. I also consider deicing and pushbacks yes to have been outsourced outside of your CBA no matter how many moons ago it happened and whether it was agreed to or not.

Oh and if some of the info in the website is slightly disingenuous or not doesn’t matter in the slightest to me. Politicians and Corporations play all sorts of their own games of Hardball and Spin and it’s damn nice to see our own Union for a change throwing the ball back.

Or should we just believe all the Isom film flam he’s trying to sell at those roadshows?

Metal in a perfect World you take back your Deicing and Pushback Jobs and we’ll take back Cabin Service, Fueling, and Mail. Ok?

and people like you are exactly why union labor is still stuck in the 1960s and companies want you gone.

When Delta finally opened a in-house station in GRU i was thrilled. It is simply stupid to expect the airlines not to do some maintenance on their fleets when they sit 10-12+ hours in places like GRU, GIG, EZE and SCL. Me personally I want to see line stations opened by Delta in all of those stations (already have GRU).

Expecting airlines to do all their maintenance in the US but members of the worthless union is a joke. The costs of that would be stupid high.


PS I don't think I have seen you complain about the hangar AA has at EZE...... (also staffed by non-union AA mechanics, AFAIK)

 

[WeAAsles]

and people like you are exactly why union labor is still stuck in the 1960s and companies want you gone.

When Delta finally opened a in-house station in GRU i was thrilled. It is simply stupid to expect the airlines not to do some maintenance on their fleets when they sit 10-12+ hours in places like GRU, GIG, EZE and SCL. Me personally I want to see line stations opened by Delta in all of those stations (already have GRU).

Expecting airlines to do all their maintenance in the US but members of the worthless union is a joke. The costs of that would be stupid high.


PS I don't think I have seen you complain about the hangar AA has at EZE...... (also staffed by non-union AA mechanics, AFAIK)

So better that any chance your Company has to send Aircraft to other Countries to have as much work as possible done on them cheaply, the more you agree with it? Is that how I’m reading you Dawg?

Tulsa would love you negotiating for them I bet.

 

[B737 driver]

Admittedly, no. But the lack of that effort over my career has made me weary and skeptical.

Metal I think it comes to how much can you keep in the u.s., in negotiations there is always something if the company is dead set on, due to the cost of business, that you can get in trade, but you also make sure you are getting a decent trade, and not just give it away.

 

[WeAAsles]

NY Daily News.

But Samuelsen said the company was playing semantics and trying to keep the public in the dark about the airline industry’s “dirty little secret.”

Many in the U.S. are unaware of just how many vital maintenance jobs have gone overseas to improve profitability for airlines, he said.

“Jet mechanics in the U.S. have to pass serious background checks, while there’s no verification in, say, South America,” he said. “For all we know an Al-Qaeda mechanic is working on our planes down there.”


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ane-message-trump-jobs-safe-article-1.3572750