After all these years, the truth about TWA Flt.800!?

[FWAAA]

TWA/IAM sent Inspectors, and Tech Crew Cheifs, to the crash sight, from the Overhaul Base here at MCI, to observe, and ansist in the investigation.------ Read the IAM's findings on the crash of Flt.800! http://twa800.com/iamaw/iamaw.htm

I wonder if they stole any evidence like the TWA 747 "lead check pilot" did?

A high-ranking Trans World Airlines pilot involved in the investigation of the Flight 800 crash has admitted stealing pieces of the reassembled wreckage and giving them to an author who contended that a missile downed the jetliner, the pilot's lawyer said yesterday.
The pilot, Terrell Stacey, is likely to plead guilty to a misdemeanor theft charge, the lawyer said, and is cooperating with a Federal investigation of the author, James Sanders, and his wife, Elizabeth Sanders, who is a flight attendant with T.W.A.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/06/nyregion/twa-pilot-stole-a-piece-of-flight-800.html

Delusional paranoid people will do really stupid things to advance their crackpot theories.

 

[eolesen]

Give me a break...Lockerbie was put on the map, sadly I might add as a result of PanAm. NYC is the undisputed media capital of the entire world. I don't see millions of people in Lockerbie on New Years Eve waiting for the New Years Ball to drop whilst billions around the globe watch the count down on TV . So an unrelenting media can cause great damage to any company, especially one on the mend as TWA.

Spare me. PA103 was bound for New York, from London. If Lockerbie was put on the map, then by your definition, TW 800's attention was focused on East Moriches, not New York City....

Tens of millions of people who were adults in 1988 can see the following image, and immediately tell you where it came from:

Many will also remember that it happened a week before Christmas. How many people remember when TW 800 went down?

Blame the media, blame crooked judges, blame whoever you want if it makes you feel better, but crashes rarely bring down an entire airline unless there are already far more serious issues at play.

TW 800 occurred a year after the second bankruptcy filing, and five years before the third one. Obviously, there were other issues.

 

[MCI transplant]

I wonder if they stole any evidence like the TWA 747 "lead check pilot" did?



http://www.nytimes.c...flight-800.html

Delusional paranoid people will do really stupid things to advance their crackpot theories.

And who, may I ask, can make that judgement? --------- You?

 

[LD3]

TWA/IAM sent Inspectors, and Tech Crew Cheifs, to the crash sight, from the Overhaul Base here at MCI, to observe, and ansist in the investigation.------ Read the IAM's findings on the crash of Flt.800! http://twa800.com/iamaw/iamaw.htm

Do unions typically get involved investigating aircraft accidents?

 

[TWskyliner]

Spare me. PA103 was bound for New York, from London. If Lockerbie was put on the map, then by your definition, TW 800's attention was focused on East Moriches, not New York City....

Tens of millions of people who were adults in 1988 can see the following image, and immediately tell you where it came from:

Many will also remember that it happened a week before Christmas. How many people remember when TW 800 went down?

Blame the media, blame crooked judges, blame whoever you want if it makes you feel better, but crashes rarely bring down an entire airline unless there are already far more serious issues at play.

TW 800 occurred a year after the second bankruptcy filing, and five years before the third one. Obviously, there were other issues.

To the TWA employees the third BK came out of nowhere just as quickly as the news that AA was buying us did...We were all in shock when that news was announced, and there had been ZERO rumors about AA. My roommate called early on the morning it was announced and said "You will never guess who just bought us." At the time we all thought we would eventually be merging with America West and Alaska.
And for those who still try and rewrite history...The announcement that AA was buying TWA came first, not the BK.

 

[eolesen]

Do unions typically get involved investigating aircraft accidents?

Yes, and it's to look out for their members interests more than anything else. ALPA is quite visible to avoid blaming the dead pilots who can't defend themselves, and it's not a surprise that the machinists would also have a role, so that there wouldn't be any jumping to conclusions about flawed maintenance practices.

It wouldn't look good if a high-cycle airplane maintained by IAM members had come apart at altitude... that's why they've latched onto the fuel tank and missile theories like a pit bull to a lamb chop, and it's why I take anything coming from them with a huge grain of salt.

 

[ChockJockey]

Let's not forget Flight 587, another JFK departure that crashed soon after takeoff and was also speculated to have been brought down by terrorism.

Also, perhaps MCI transplant would be kind enough post his thoughts regarding what "really" happened on 9/11...? Oh, and the so-called "moon landings". Inquiring minds, and all that...

 

[Barfbag]

Obviously, there were other issues.

Agreed and posted.

However you must also acknowledge that NYC is the financial as well as the media capital of the world, aka Wall Street. Wall St. is the financial engine that runs the entire east coast some say the country. This engine fuels East Moriches, towns, hamlets, on Long Island, even upstate NY and States like NJ and Conn with employment opportunities.

We, NYCers call these areas...the burbs..not hardcore NYCers but brothers in arms, they read own papers, eat our Bagels, and watch our Yankees. Hey, we even loaned them two NFL teams just so that they can share in the media spot light.

The same spotlight that was on TWA for too long and why it's the fiery news topic today again in all it's media grandeur.

 

[eolesen]

Having lived in NYC in the 90's, I'm still puzzled as to why you think TWA got more local and national coverage than Pan Am did. Pan Am was actually based in NYC, not Westchester County or St. Louis... They remained a downtown icon for decades. People still call the MetLife building the Pan Am building...

When PA103 went down, the focus was definitely on them, especially when it came to the lapses in the security systems.

 

[MCI transplant]

[sub]eolesen----- There is one big problem with your statement about mechanics and pit bulls! ------ What's coming out now, isn't comming from them! It is comming from pilots, and ex investgators of the NTSB! -------- [/sub]What they are saying now, just reaffirms what the mechanics have been saying all along!

 

[700UW]

The IAM has a top notch flight safety committee and are called upon to investigate at many crashes.

A former US lead mechanic use to be on the NTSB.

Flight Safety investigators at US for the IAM are based mostly in CLT.

 

[Barfbag]

Having lived in NYC in the 90's, I'm still puzzled as to why you think TWA got more local and national coverage than Pan Am did. Pan Am was actually based in NYC, not Westchester County or St. Louis... They remained a downtown icon for decades. People still call the MetLife building the Pan Am building...

When PA103 went down, the focus was definitely on them, especially when it came to the lapses in the security systems.

Yes; I flew off PanAm building's Helipad in a helicopter ride to LGA in the late 70s to catch a flight to LAX at the behest of Robert Crandall. Before 911 NYC had a great skyline, ( and soon again) but having been born in Brooklyn and raised in Queens, Ive learned that it's the native NYer that moves the city, not drifters, although we give honorary status to the daily commuter from the burbs.

Ask yourself how super would Superman be without the Daily Planet or Spiderman be without the Daily Bugle? NYers thrive on Gotham and it media is its blood.

So don't compare Lockerbie one TV station with NYCs mass media, youre only comparing Oranges to Big Apples.

800 is back in the news again only because NYers think it's newsworthy.

 

[nyc6035]

TWA/IAM sent Inspectors, and Tech Crew Cheifs, to the crash sight, from the Overhaul Base here at MCI, to observe, and ansist in the investigation.------ Read the IAM's findings on the crash of Flt.800! http://twa800.com/iamaw/iamaw.htm

So looking through the IAM findings one is lead to believe that an external explosion took place in front of the L3 door - outside and most likely below the aircraft.

It's interesting that the only photos I've ever seen of the reconstructed fuselage is of the right side - from the overwing exit forward.

 

[MCI transplant]

Having lived in NYC in the 90's, I'm still puzzled as to why you think TWA got more local and national coverage than Pan Am did. Pan Am was actually based in NYC, not Westchester County or St. Louis... They remained a downtown icon for decades. People still call the MetLife building the Pan Am building...

When PA103 went down, the focus was definitely on them, especially when it came to the lapses in the security systems.

eolesen,------ Do we really know what happened to PA 103? ------ As tragic as it was, yes we do! ------So why are you trying to devert the thread from something we don't know to something we do? PA 103 was tragic! But,could TWA Flt. 800 have been just another page in the ongoing conflict between the West and those who are radical in the East!------- We'll never know, now will we?

 

[eolesen]

So don't compare Lockerbie one TV station with NYCs mass media, youre only comparing Oranges to Big Apples.

Oh, so none of NYC's mass media covered the Lockerbie crash?...

Tunnel vision can be hazardous. You might want to go get it checked out.

So why are you trying to devert the thread from something we don't know to something we do? PA 103 was tragic!

Just pointing out the idiocy and fallacy that anyone could think PA 103 wasn't covered by the mainstream media to the same extent that TW 800 was. The style of coverage might have been different -- CNN wasn't a household name yet in 1988 (never mind that CNN isn't considered part of the NYC media scene), but the major newspapers were still covering the event in print at the time.

The fact is that both involved 747s flying for iconic airlines, one on a flight leaving JFK, another on a flight headed to JFK.

Equally tragic in my book, and perhaps both were ultimately acts of terrorism.