AAA ALPA Topic 8/31/07 - 9/06/07

[a320av8r]

Which part specifically?

Windfall, but lets not get started again!

 

[OldpropGuy]

Well, I talked to myself and a few other memorable "set in stone" rules came to mind. They did go away.

You are a woman, you can't vote, what are you thinking about, get back in the kitchen.

Black people ride in the back of the bus, are not allowed in this establishment and have their own drinking and restroom facilities.

Kids working in a factory, whats wrong with that?

I can probably think of a few more. The award stinks....period.

Try as i may, I just can't get "I'm an AAA pilot and I dont like the decision" to fit into these historic moments!

Talk about ego.............

Houston, I think we may have found the problem.

 

[Junebug172]

You must not be as tuned into ALPA as you try to insinuate because you would know the polling demonstrated the exact opposite. Why do you think ALPA(national) continues to be so indecisive.

Bzzzzt - WRONG!!!

But don't take my word for it. We'll see come the the end of September after the ECC meets again.

USAPA is all talk.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Bzzzzt - WRONG!!!

But don't take my word for it. We'll see come the the end of September after the ECC meets again.

USAPA is all talk.

I wouldn't underestimate us. Which is what you seem to be doing.

The biggest problem for Prater now, is if he tries to put both MECs into receivership. He could drive other ALPA groups out the door. FYI. Talked to a UAL pilot envolved in their decert drive. They supposedly have over 3000 cards now.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I wouldn't underestimate us. Which is what you seem to be doing.

The biggest problem for Prater now, is if he tries to put both MECs into receivership. He could drive other ALPA groups out the door. FYI. Talked to a UAL pilot envolved in their decert drive. They supposedly have over 3000 cards now.

I had heard that the United pilots' efforts to show ALPA the door (pearlgroup.org) had been dragging for many months. I suspect that the USAPA effort might have had some impetus in kicking their effort into high gear. (They don't want to be tasked with having to turn out the lights in Herndon.)

I understand that the United Pilots Association (UPA)were helpful to USAPA in getting the effort here organized.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

The RLA does not change.

The new union by law has to administer the current CBA until Section 6 Negotiations occur to the CBA being amendable upon its date.

Like I said it is a dilema. And I won't take your word for it. You have good points to be sure. However, The west could go into section 6 now and the east in 2009. So how does that work? USAPA negotiates your CBA under section 6 and we just fall in with it? We do the same in 2009 and you just fall in with it? There has to be a joining somewhere.

My thoughts are that when USAPA is elected as the new representative for all USAirways pilots, each contract stays in place and separate until a new one is negotiated for all. Between USAPA and the company. The input you have in the negotiations will be through your block rep. The proposal is to hire professional negotiators. The reps submit briefing items (Wish list). And hopefully the pro's will produce a CBA that is the best in the industry. If not, you will at least be given a vote to express your opinion.

One final thought, I am not the expert on RLA matters but I do know a bit of history. At AA, when they left ALPA, The day the new union went into affect was the same day that all traces of ALPA disappeared. No doubt new case law has changed interpretation of the RLA so I will not address what might happen here. Just hoping that ALPA disappears altogether like what happened at AA.

 

[john john]

I had heard that the United pilots' efforts to show ALPA the door (pearlgroup.org) had been dragging for many months.

If UA leaves ALPA it will certainly be an express union

 

[leprechaun]

What you fellas need is a real problem solver. Here, take my card.

 

[ussnark]

My guess is that the post you qouted had a tinge of sarcasm in it....to say the least. You're right on in that, in many cases, the hire dates of the easties have nothing to do with their experience, having served only a portion of those years on the job. The east side think they're above and beyond all else, and until their top-end guys retire and get out, this holier-than-thou attitude will linger. The culture won't change until these two sides merge and the old bastards move on.

Uh, you are wrong. Try again 'cause that wasn't even a starter.

There are a few that "made the Nicholau list" that had experienced furlough, but for greater than 98%, DOH equals LOS. Remember, almost all furloughees never made the Nicholau list, even though they were on the mainline list, MDA and all those senior to them.

But, then, any pilot with any experience at all would know you are wrong.........

 

[Junebug172]

Junebug,

I'm sure and so is John Prater, Paul Rice, and Doug Paker, which is why the EC will not forward the Nicolau Award.

Furthermore, if the Nicolau Award was ever forwarded USAPA would gain a tremendous boost...then what?

As I indicated earlier the Rice Committee is going to present its recommendations to the JNC next week, which could include fences, furlough, and future merger protections. It should be interesting to see the Rice Committee recommendations and the results of the meeting during a period when ALPA’s existence is at stake.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Actually, the award will be forwarded this month.

USAPA is not going to be a factor.

The Rice Committee is a farce and was put together to placate the east. Its going nowhere and they only put out recommendations. I put those out too, but no one seems to listen.

I can't wait to post this thread over and over when all your BS blows up in your face.

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[Phoenix]

Better hope they purge the furlough list quickly then.......1000+ furloughees who may have little interest in returning plus the normal apathy gives at least a remote possibility that you could have no union.

Jim

Ha! The furloughees relish the chance to push back on ALPA. But the list is pretty much purged already anyway.

But the real issue is if 50%+1 of eligible voters turn in a card to call for an election, then why on earth would 50%+1 not vote? Even if a large number of them did not vote (even after turning in a card to get the chance to vote, duh), there are supposedly at least 1,800 pilots who want to vote for ALPA but did not turn in a card.

 

[Phoenix]

Just hoping that ALPA disappears altogether like what happened at AA.

Can ALPA afford to let USAPA win? We should not be surprised if they do what they consider necessary, before and after the election.

 

[BottomFeeder]

Actually, the award will be forwarded this month.

So far you have been wrong. So what's another one for you.

USAPA is not going to be a factor.

Funny that you said USAPA would not have enough cards

The Rice Committee is a farce and was put together to placate the east. Its going nowhere and they only put out recommendations. I put those out too, but no one seems to listen.

We will see. Just why has your MEC give the NEG team the green light to offer fences?

I can't wait to post this thread over and over when all your BS blows up in your face.

You are the King of BS so you will probably know it when you see it

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USAPA will do. How's the recalls coming?

 

[Junebug172]

"So far you have been wrong. So what's another one for you."

Nope. I'm usually right on the money. Just like this time. But you can wait until the end of September to see just how right I am.

"Funny that you said USAPA would not have enough cards"

They don't. And Bradford's blast proves how desperate USUKA is getting.

"We will see. Just why has your MEC give the NEG team the green light to offer fences?"

Our NC has no green lights to over fences. Never have.

"You are the King of BS so you will probably know it when you see it"

So does your mother.

"Deleted by moderator. Be careful in your choice of words."

Sucka

"USAPA will do. How's the recalls coming?"

USUKA won't do. And I was just about to ask you the same thing.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Can ALPA afford to let USAPA win? We should not be surprised if they do what they consider necessary, before and after the election.

At least we are leading in something. The other major mainline carriers are watching what happens here very closely. If ALPA plays games with how this plays out, it may start a revolution by the others to begin their own decert drives. I see Prater now in a no win situation. He and ALPA are screwed no matter what happens. I wonder if Nicolau had had enough of unions and for his final parting shot before retiring he wanted to watch ALPA explode? Interesting to watch, isn't it?