AA to exceed DL financial margins by end of 2015?

[robbedagain]

whoopee doo on the PS  that's a one time payment..    of course DL folks don't have to ask for deductions..  DL can and wld slice the pay as they see fit   with the exception of the pilots and dispatchers..  WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

 

[jcw]

say it again and again real slowly   "My lower paycheck helps AA win""My lower paycheck helps AA win""My lower paycheck helps AA win""My lower paycheck helps AA win""My lower paycheck helps AA win"

I love that you have to quote me with "slowly" - I'm flattered you don't have original sayings and have to copy me

You can go as slow as you want - the challenge is DL trashed operating margin through all the brilliant strategies you are the #1 cheerleader for them

Go very slow with these on your daily affirmation:

AA beat DL in profits - god save queen DL

DL trashed operating margin by 47% - how can it be

 

[WorldTraveler]

"I am willing to give up my own personal earnings in order for AA to perform better than its peers."

- jcw

"I am willing to give up my own personal earnings in order for AA to perform better than its peers."

- jcw

"I am willing to give up my own personal earnings in order for AA to perform better than its peers."

- jcw

"I am willing to give up my own personal earnings in order for AA to perform better than its peers."

- jcw

"I am willing to give up my own personal earnings in order for AA to perform better than its peers."

- jcw

 

[jimntx]

WT, Grow UP!  You sound like a 3-year old saying the same crap over and over as if repetition will make it true.  At the end of the 1st quarter. 2015--post WA, you had better hope that AA is on the financial ropes and DL has forced its way into DAL.  Otherwise, all of your dire predictions are going to make you look like a total fool.

 

[jcw]

His predictions don't make him look like a fool his posts alone

As we can see from his recent posts he's struggling this morning

It's a rough day in the red slippers and DL pj's

WT - great work on honing your copy paste skills keep up the good work - looks like you could graduate from the copy paste class

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

WT, have you even read the APFA TA?

What makes it industry leading, is Parker & Co have assigned a market value to the Profit Sharing that the work group is not receiving, and accounted for that value in the compensation and language of the work rules. The employees at AA will be kept happy, and the beauty of it all is, they will remain industry leading in compensation whether the airline industry takes a sudden downturn or not.

Other than the unionized pilots, can the work groups at DL say the same?

Maybe you should actually rest the contractual language of the TA before you speak on a topic as though you are an expert, when that is clearly not the case. Thanks.

 

[WorldTraveler]

WT, Grow UP!  You sound like a 3-year old saying the same crap over and over as if repetition will make it true.  At the end of the 1st quarter. 2015--post WA, you had better hope that AA is on the financial ropes and DL has forced its way into DAL.  Otherwise, all of your dire predictions are going to make you look like a total fool.

I'm not hoping for anyone's downfall.

I am saying and will continue to say that AA faces unique and specific revenue pressures which everyone on here seems to think are no big deal.

I can get that AA and DL can manage to their own unique challenges - revenue and cost.

but none of that changes the reality that DL employees are making more than their peers at AA and DL is sharing more of their earnings with its employees than any other airline is doing.

for any AA employee to take pride in AA's achievements while ignoring their own compensation reality raises serious questions about what motivates them.

and ad, we have been thru the profit sharing discussion enough times that it should be clear that A and APFA dramatically underestimated DL's profit sharing. DL employees will earn $1 BILLION in profit sharing of which about 25% will go to Flight Attendants. The AA/APFA agreement in no one properly values DL's profit sharing or compensates AA FAs based on what DL FAs will receive.

 

[jcw]

Once again you don't understand different comp strategies and how the TA is structured

We know when DL went through BK they were the only company to not restructure wages and debt - they just went through BK for the fun of it

Knowing they AA and DL went through BK at different times and at different inflection points in the economy there would be different outcomes

So with all the years DL was at depressed wages AA employees were making much more than DL however I don't think we were carping on for days weeks months etc about that

Maybe we should convert to:

Harp, harp, harp

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

He declined to even answer if he had read the TA, so I can comfortably assume that's a big fat "no."

 

[WorldTraveler]

Once again you don't understand different comp strategies and how the TA is structured

We know when DL went through BK they were the only company to not restructure wages and debt - they just went through BK for the fun of it

Knowing they AA and DL went through BK at different times and at different inflection points in the economy there would be different outcomes

So with all the years DL was at depressed wages AA employees were making much more than DL however I don't think we were carping on for days weeks months etc about that

this is the closest thing you have said to being a verifiable statement.

and I don't agree that AA employees did retain their earnings while other employees - including DL - were cut in BK.

however, and this is absolutely relevant - AA employees took TWO rounds of cuts - first in 2003 and another in BK. DL and UA employees (and CO and NW) took only one (UA actually had a couple of smaller adjustments).

you may very well be right that net, net, AA employees came out better off since 2001 but I simply don't have the data to verify that... although it can be done.

thus, I won't deny that it is possible that AA employees in total fared better but I also will not say and haven't said that every AA's BK that it is known which workgroup actually came out ahead.

but AA employees did not enjoy profit sharing that DL employees have enjoyed for several years since BK. This year at $1B is by far the largest profit sharing for DL employees but the $500 from last year and the hundreds of millions in years before is still larger than what AA employees have received.

so, if you want to compare total compensation, then you have to include ALL of the profit sharing that DL employees have enjoyed - which started very soon after emerging from BK.

and the larger question is how AA will do in the future. Every industry analyst believes that the industry will be more profitable and more stable in the future than it was in the past.

If AA employees are giving up profit sharing in the future because they retained higher compensation in the past (which may or may not be true), then the chances are that AA employees will come up with less in total.

Does it not surprise you that Parker is HAPPY to not have to pay profit sharing at a time when every other airline is including it?

of course he is because in the long run, the chances are very high that total compensation will be higher WITH profit sharing.

again, WN employees will likely see larger total compensation even with very small pay increases because they also have strong profit sharing.

finally, if AA is really on the verge of facing much higher revenue pressures in its key markets than other carriers because of Latin America, DFW, and DCA, then AA employees might well be better off by not holding out for profit sharing.

time will tell.

the chances are far better than other airline employees and other carriers will fare better off than AA and their employees will - and it is directly tied to each company's performance in the market.

 

[jcw]

Yes time will once again to prove you wrong

How much do you get paid by the word

I find it rich of you to say that was the closest thing to verifiable

You struggle with posting facts all the time so don't go there since the fantasy metics you make up have no verifiable basis

 

[WorldTraveler]

so I get paid but you don't?

my track record on how AA has fared in the market has been quite accurate.

the only that was a surprise has been how quickly AA's fortunes in Latin America have changed.

 

[diamondcutter]

This is GREAT, once again WT is in a tailspin today !!!! He has not even read our TA to realize we WILL be compensated better! I find it interesting that no one agrees with you , and when you are proven wrong you change your narrative and change the subjects!! Know that everyone is on to you and credibility!! PLEASE TELL US WHY YOU WERE KICKED OFF AIRLINERS.NET!!

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, I have read enough to know that AA is not compensating AA FAs for a value equal to the profit sharing that DL FAs will make.

it is no surprise that the union ilks on here are all trying to discredit the potential for the industry to be profitable for years to come because it is only if the industry falls into a flat out tailspin that profit sharing plus DL FA rates will exceed what AA is offering.

and if the industry falls into a flat out tailspin, you can bet your bottom dollar that AA will be cutting its employee costs as well.

you, like a whole host of AA people on the interwebs can't stand to hear the truth.

it is abundantly clear that you are trying to sell a TA that many AA FAs know is not industry leading at all.

Parker wants you to sign it as quickly as possible before those people have a chance to speak up and find out what they are actually missing- in this case about $200 million in annual compensation that DL FAs will receive but AA FAs will not because AA convinced the APFA that DL cannot deliver profits on a long term basis.

the AA/APFA agreement significantly undervalues DL's FA profit sharing and they sure don't want anyone to find that out.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

And what formula, praytell, is AA management and the APFA negotiators supposed to use to calculate something that hasn't yet occurred? Not all of us are blessed with a crystal ball as uncanny as yours.