AA needs a new flight plan
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Frank Szabo
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... a new "Flight PlAAn" indeed - Centrepork needs an enema.
You are 100& right. I feel senior management at this company has lost touch with the employees and they
do not want too or care in running a top notch airline.
Its time for Arpey to go.
Funny, I am known for my long memory and I remember the same things said about Carty and Crandall.
I can't wait for ten years from now when you are all wishing for the good ole days of Arpey instead of whoever the CEO is then.
Frank Szabo
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The way any corporation is run, the board of directors tells the senior management what to accomplish - ie, gives direction - and it's up to their devices to implement those marching orders. It's rather evident the bean-counters of Centrepork haven't a clue as to how to do that.
My guess is the TWU has been given a dollar figure re: what the company figures is a fair price (will pay for maintenance) and that figure is then split up per capita yielding a "per worker" number to maintain.
That tells the TWU International how much wages and benefits have to be lowered by concessions in order to keep employment at a level where maximum dues are collected but still high enough that there won't be a revolt.
An example: The cost of wages for the (approx) 1000 workers participating in the "working together" scam plus their benefits equals approximately $71,500,000 (using $55k per year plus 30% more in benefit costs). That alone could finance some fairly good pay and benefit increases for all hourly people.
Unfortunately, those who'd be "chosen" to leave their jobs would be those who probably do the most in a days time, ie, those with lower seniority. What blows me away is that fact that other places I've worked, even union shops, had a assessment program, either bi-annually or annually, to evaluate their workers. AA (in Tulsa anyway) has no such program in place.
Unfortunately for the TWU, there may be a revolt coming should AMP collect enough cards for the National Mediation Board to call an election.
Looking at our situation in that manner, it's become questionable as to who the bad guys really are. It may not be the company after all but those to whom we give 1.5 hours pay per month to work for our benefit.
Imjustsayin
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it looks to me like American Ailrines has economic "bricks" and cultural "bricks". I think the mangement of American Airlines AND its unions are responsible for both. If you have ACME stamped on your butt and you are proud of that, don't forget to turn out the lights when you are gone. If not, figure out how to build something together with your bricks and stop the constant whining.
I never personally called for the resignation of Crandall or Carty.
But the reality is that under Arpey we have gone from #1 to
a distant small #3.
And all this company does is blame the employees for all its problems.
Its seems that they are trying to run an airline in cutting cost,Which I understand
is just a business practice, But they should be concentrating more on the revenue side.
They should be more creative in going after revenue.
Look at the new united and delta. There route reach is much larger than ours.
I could be wrong but I believe that they are flying to over 100 additional cities than
we currently fly too. With routes systems like that, it puts AA at a significant disadvantage.
And this all happened under Apey's watch. So again.......Its time for Arpey to go.
FrequentFlierCA
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So you're upset that you've gone from #1 to #3 in size. Fine. But I can guarantee that if AA announced it was buying US Airways tomorrow many of you would be up in arms over the "waste of money" and seniority integration issues.
You can't have it both ways, especially in your industry.
You can't have it both ways, especially in your industry.
jersey777
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The reason I am upset is that we are sure to lose market share as these other airlines take away our business with a larger route network and better cabin amenities. The time of shrinking and installing less than state of the art interiors is gone. Now that ATI is ramping up it is my hope that you will be hearing about a lot of changes at AA as far as our route structure and cabin amenities. That does not mean we are growing though. That can only happen when and if we get additional aircraft.
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<_< ------ Or bring back some of them that AA already has parked in the desert. I realize "new" would be preferable, but wouldn't it be more practical to use what you already have until "new" were affordable ?
eolesen
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My turn to agree with you.... All the people calling for AA to merge with AS or B6.... all AA has to do is recall everyone on the list and bring back those aircraft sitting in the desert. You won't get the customers, but you'll get the size.
I've never seen being biggest as a benefit. If anything, it's a giant target symbol.
And AA moving to #3 isn't something Arpey or anyone else could have prevented. Merging with NW or CO was never an option.
In a couple years, it will be quite interesting to see how much both UA/CO & DL/NW have pulled back as reality sets in with their network planning groups. Coupled with some organic growth by AMR, you might even see much closer parity between the three.
While I agree with eolesen that organic growth is AA's preferable option right now, I disagree that bringing back any retired/grounded planes is better than new Boeings. The only ex-AA widebodies available right now are the AB6s, and AA spent many millions of dollars grounding those dogs prior to the expirations of their leases. They're maintenance hogs, not all that fuel efficient, have insufficient range for most long-haul flights and too many people remember flight 587 and the Air France A330 that mysteriously disappeared off the coast of S America on its way to Paris. Bringing them back for the short-term would be throwing good money after bad. New 777s wouldn't cost significantly more and would be useful for many years.
AA can get new 777s with 12-18 months notice and with the delays to the 787-9 program, AA could probably get Boeing to help out with financing on favorable terms.
I expect that AA will announce some acceleration of its remaining 777s next week with the quarterly earnings (or loss) release. I also expect AA to announce additional 738 orders within the next six months or so.
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<_< ------ Read it again Sam! I didn't say "Better". What what I did say was "more practical!" And who said biggest is best anyway? TWA flew 767's Internationally for quit some time. It would be great to have a few more 777's, but in the mean time something less would due just fine.
