Something is up with AA, could they possibly be plotting to bust the FA UNION and the Mechanics Union. Could they use the TWA FA's who I am sure would cross the picket line and pull from management groups to fly the backbone of the system. They continue to lose money the contacts are not done and now they are pushing to order aircraft.
AA is up to something?
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THERE WILL BE NO STRIKE @ AA
NO ONE IS GETTING RELEASE
WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOSE
MONEY TILL THE COMPANY CAN
FIKE FOR BK AND THEN CANCEL
ALL THE PENSIONS, GIVE EVERYONE
A 20% PAYCUT. EXECUTIVES WILL BE
REWARDED WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
OF BONUSES WITH THE CONSENT OF
BK JUDGE. AND WE WILL ALL FINALLY
BE A HAPPY FAMILY. LOL LOL LMAO
Every day they do not sign a new contract they save money. And they get rewarded every year for this performance.
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<_< ------- Why the paranoia about the TWA FA's?------ Your conscience getting to you?-------- And how can that affect the AMTs? Oh, I'm sure the Company would love to do so! But I don't see it happening!
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Recieved an email from a friend today. Accoring to one of the APFA negotiating team members, a FA TA is right around the corner. They are very close with the company.
Yep; they better be up to making the company profitable, after quarter after quarter without a profit, or they'll like yesterday's newspaper soon.
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DallasConehead
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Yea I heard the same thing from the autoparts guy at Oriellys, who knew someone that knew someone that was friends with someone on the team.
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I got the same email and I believe there is truth to it. There are too many rumblings going on in the background with rumors on the pilots negotiations and the APFA plus the speculation of a huge aircraft order. Any talk of bankruptcy is pure nonsense. The same inter-company rumors and emails were floating around about the 777-300 and they most certainly came true. Here is part of the email:
We had Steve Ellis non-revving on the JFK-LAX leg yesterday. He=
is one of the APFA negotiators, and he wanted to give the entire crew a "b=
riefing" on contract negotiations. So it was really good to hear informatio=
n coming right out of the horse's mouth, so to speak. He spent about a half=
an hour with us. Even though we aren't hearing about any on-going official=
negotiations, they ARE going on behind the scenes. He was very clear that =
the NMB will NOT release us into a cooling off period any time soon...there=
fore, a strike is not a viable option in the foreseeable future. Instead, h=
e said, we are very close to an agreement, and HE said, we will be pleasant=
ly surprised, and he is for the first time really excited.
Although things can change up until signing, he said there will be a raise,=
their will be either a signing bonus or retro pay, but the unions stance o=
n that has been to fight for the actual raise, which is pensionable, rather=
than fight for a larger bonus or retro pay, because both the signing bonus=
and retro pay will be taxable, and not pensionable. Do not expect holiday =
pay. Do not expect pay from sign-in. Do expect improvements to our layover =
rest. DO expect some significant changes to Reserve, which the membership v=
oted was the number two priority after pay. The will be "shift" bidding. He=
expects Reserve seniority to go down significantly, as both the Company an=
d the Union agree that there are too many people are on reserve, it is too =
senior and expensive.
There will be a lot of emphasis on presenting something to the older, senio=
r f/a's who NEED to retire, both from the Company's and the Union's perspec=
tive. Most of us are at the top of the pay scale anyway, and it is killing =
the Company financially, and there will be incentive for people to retire. =
This might include a payout, or an offer for retiree's pre-funded medical b=
enefits to continue, while that benefit will not longer be provided for con=
tinuing employees. He believes we will keep our pensions, even with the new=
contract, while there will be none for new-hires, who will get a matching =
401K, but no pension. Pensions are a thing of the past, but he thinks we wi=
ll keep ours.
The Company, and the Union agrees, need to take the 767's off the LAX_JFK_L=
AX routes and replace them with 757's or even 737's because we are losing m=
oney on the 767 on domestic routes, or reduce capacity, which means less fl=
ights during the day. It is more likely that we'll keep the routes and go t=
o 75's. The explanation for why this will probably happen was lengthy, so I=
can't/don't want to repeat it, but it made sense. It will also reduce the =
numbers on Reserve. International flying out of LAX will significantly incr=
ease as soon as the new Tom Bradley terminal is completed, btw.
Like John Nikides said in his letter, the Company is under a lot of pressur=
e to hire, including pressure from its stockholders. They can't/won't hire =
until we reach an agreement. It sure sounded like we were close, and althou=
gh Steve wouldn't give a date, because I don't think he can,or knows, I wou=
ld guess that by "soon" he meant maybe by the end of Summer.
I'm thinking optimistically, that with new hires and especially changes to =
Reserve and everything else, even I would be off Reserve by the end of this=
year. However, if they offer an attractive incentive to retire, which woul=
d maybe mean a cash lump sum (like the previous "bridge to retirement", for=
which I didn't have enough years of service at the time it was last offere=
d), coupled with a continuation of retiree pre-funded medical benefits, I w=
ould probably take it and actively market my new career(s). However, even i=
f there is a lump sum cash offer (which would be taxed at about 30%) and th=
ey DON'T offer pre-funded medical benefits, it would not be enough incentiv=
e for me to retire any time soon, and I will probably stay another 2-4 year=
s, at least until I would get my full pension, not a reduced pension due to=
early retirement.
As a junior fa who will be here for the next 20 yrs plus, there's very little if anything in the new contract for me to get excited over. As I told a negotiator I had on a JFK SFO flight, as a speaker purser, since there are no improvements for us, and no mention of combining international/domestic, I'm not voting for this contract.
HE said, we will be pleasant=
ly surprised, and he is for the first time really excited.
Although things can change up until signing, he said there will be a raise,=
their will be either a signing bonus or retro pay, but the unions stance o=
n that has been to fight for the actual raise, which is pensionable, rather=
than fight for a larger bonus or retro pay, because both the signing bonus=
and retro pay will be taxable, and not pensionable. Do not expect holiday =
pay. Do not expect pay from sign-in. Do expect improvements to our layover =
rest. DO expect some significant changes to Reserve, which the membership v=
oted was the number two priority after pay. The will be "shift" bidding. He=
expects Reserve seniority to go down significantly, as both the Company an=
d the Union agree that there are too many people are on reserve, it is too =
senior and expensive.
There will be a lot of emphasis on presenting something to the older, senio=
r f/a's who NEED to retire, both from the Company's and the Union's perspec=
tive. Most of us are at the top of the pay scale anyway, and it is killing =
the Company financially, and there will be incentive for people to retire. =
This might include a payout, or an offer for retiree's pre-funded medical b=
enefits to continue, while that benefit will not longer be provided for con=
tinuing employees. He believes we will keep our pensions, even with the new=
contract, while there will be none for new-hires, who will get a matching =
401K, but no pension. Pensions are a thing of the past, but he thinks we wi=
ll keep ours.
The Company, and the Union agrees, need to take the 767's off the LAX_JFK_L=
AX routes and replace them with 757's or even 737's because we are losing m=
oney on the 767 on domestic routes, or reduce capacity, which means less fl=
ights during the day. It is more likely that we'll keep the routes and go t=
o 75's. The explanation for why this will probably happen was lengthy, so I=
can't/don't want to repeat it, but it made sense. It will also reduce the =
numbers on Reserve. International flying out of LAX will significantly incr=
ease as soon as the new Tom Bradley terminal is completed, btw.
Like John Nikides said in his letter, the Company is under a lot of pressur=
e to hire, including pressure from its stockholders. They can't/won't hire =
until we reach an agreement. It sure sounded like we were close, and althou=
gh Steve wouldn't give a date, because I don't think he can,or knows, I wou=
ld guess that by "soon" he meant maybe by the end of Summer.
I'm thinking optimistically, that with new hires and especially changes to =
Reserve and everything else, even I would be off Reserve by the end of this=
year. However, if they offer an attractive incentive to retire, which woul=
d maybe mean a cash lump sum (like the previous "bridge to retirement", for=
which I didn't have enough years of service at the time it was last offere=
d), coupled with a continuation of retiree pre-funded medical benefits, I w=
ould probably take it and actively market my new career(s). However, even i=
f there is a lump sum cash offer (which would be taxed at about 30%) and th=
ey DON'T offer pre-funded medical benefits, it would not be enough incentiv=
e for me to retire any time soon, and I will probably stay another 2-4 year=
s, at least until I would get my full pension, not a reduced pension due to=
early retirement.
[/quote]
HE said, we will be pleasant=
ly surprised, and he is for the first time really excited.
Although things can change up until signing, he said there will be a raise,=
their will be either a signing bonus or retro pay, but the unions stance o=
n that has been to fight for the actual raise, which is pensionable, rather=
than fight for a larger bonus or retro pay, because both the signing bonus=
and retro pay will be taxable, and not pensionable. Do not expect holiday =
pay. Do not expect pay from sign-in. Do expect improvements to our layover =
rest. DO expect some significant changes to Reserve, which the membership v=
oted was the number two priority after pay. The will be "shift" bidding. He=
expects Reserve seniority to go down significantly, as both the Company an=
d the Union agree that there are too many people are on reserve, it is too =
senior and expensive.
There will be a lot of emphasis on presenting something to the older, senio=
r f/a's who NEED to retire, both from the Company's and the Union's perspec=
tive. Most of us are at the top of the pay scale anyway, and it is killing =
the Company financially, and there will be incentive for people to retire. =
This might include a payout, or an offer for retiree's pre-funded medical b=
enefits to continue, while that benefit will not longer be provided for con=
tinuing employees. He believes we will keep our pensions, even with the new=
contract, while there will be none for new-hires, who will get a matching =
401K, but no pension. Pensions are a thing of the past, but he thinks we wi=
ll keep ours.
The Company, and the Union agrees, need to take the 767's off the LAX_JFK_L=
AX routes and replace them with 757's or even 737's because we are losing m=
oney on the 767 on domestic routes, or reduce capacity, which means less fl=
ights during the day. It is more likely that we'll keep the routes and go t=
o 75's. The explanation for why this will probably happen was lengthy, so I=
can't/don't want to repeat it, but it made sense. It will also reduce the =
numbers on Reserve. International flying out of LAX will significantly incr=
ease as soon as the new Tom Bradley terminal is completed, btw.
Like John Nikides said in his letter, the Company is under a lot of pressur=
e to hire, including pressure from its stockholders. They can't/won't hire =
until we reach an agreement. It sure sounded like we were close, and althou=
gh Steve wouldn't give a date, because I don't think he can,or knows, I wou=
ld guess that by "soon" he meant maybe by the end of Summer.
I'm thinking optimistically, that with new hires and especially changes to =
Reserve and everything else, even I would be off Reserve by the end of this=
year. However, if they offer an attractive incentive to retire, which woul=
d maybe mean a cash lump sum (like the previous "bridge to retirement", for=
which I didn't have enough years of service at the time it was last offere=
d), coupled with a continuation of retiree pre-funded medical benefits, I w=
ould probably take it and actively market my new career(s). However, even i=
f there is a lump sum cash offer (which would be taxed at about 30%) and th=
ey DON'T offer pre-funded medical benefits, it would not be enough incentiv=
e for me to retire any time soon, and I will probably stay another 2-4 year=
s, at least until I would get my full pension, not a reduced pension due to=
early retirement.
[/quote]
kirkpatrick
Veteran
I agree completely. Major aircraft order, contracts settled, expansion on Pacific mainly out of LAX which will draw domestic FA's to international, opening the domestic side to transfers. Even a small incentive to retire would attract hundreds, which will explain the talk of massive hiring next year.
Realistic people will expect the following from the contract: No big bucks, but a couple percent per year will help. More flying is inevitable, but you can still drop trips. Significant changes to reserve system (not enough, but a start).
Anyone in any group who thinks they're going back to pre-concessionary wages plus inflation has his head in the clouds.
MK
Totally agree. Most AMR employees need a reality check.
You worry too much. With the mechanics they would not even extend the VBR to the line, the reason, "We cant afford to lose anymore line guys". That was two years ago, they blew through the recall list, in NY over 90% said "NO THANKS" to recall, they moved on, and they arent alone, every couple of months another guy I've worked along side of for decades decides he's had enough and quits. That may not seem like much but a lot of guys are just waiting to see what happens with the contract. Delta and UAL are reportedly seeing the same thing, not too many coming back. Mechanics are in the best position they've ever been in to take on the company, any company because the 3P shops are having an even harder time finding people to can fix things. Airplanes are pretty sophisticated machines, they have all sorts of systems, so if you can fix airplanes you can pretty much fix anything and airplanes arent the only machines out there that need maintenance. After the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth rock and they were asked what they needed their reply was "Send mechanics".
Mechanics may be pissed at their union, but they are pissed because they dont feel the union is putting enough pressure on the company, so if the company thinks they can use that sentiment against the Union they are wrong, the union is pretty much the only thing keeping the mechanics from sticking it up the companys behind.
Sorry to see the FAs are so pessimistic in light of the fact that that the companys revenues have soared.
Even if AA had a grand plan, I'm not worried, I had a life before AA and I'll have one after, just like all my peers who have already said goodbye to AA and all their Bullshitt.
