AA and US merger?

[damajagua]

I work for US Airways and I understand why AA employees don't want to merge with us.

US Airways has become the most undesirable airline in terms of labor and general operations, in the industry.

Delta and United did not want us, and trust me, nobody else does either.

The reason is very clear to me.

After the second bankruptcy filing, the new management destroyed what good remained of US Airways, namely labor relations, clean and reliable airplanes, and customer service.

The withdrawal of the videos on long-haul flights, the removal of the closets on first class, the especially the ridiculous act of charging for sodas, coffee and water, (as they believed it would be followed by all other airlines,) showed how stingy, and shortsighted, are our "leaders."

Who would like to have those guys running the company that they work for?

Who would want to merge with a company that has become synonymous with shabby service and planes, and unhappy employees.

Sorry my fellow colleagues but I don't think that the AA employees are being arrorgant, they just don't want to become a third-class airline like US Airways.

As to the controversy regarding the arguments and discussions about what will happen, I think everything is uncertain and anything can happen, even the merger between the companies.

However if the childish nonsense of accusations continues, and the merger does happen, it will lay a foundation for a very bad relationship between us, the
employees.

That is a burden that could be avoided if we all act as adults.

Good luck to all of us.

Let me make something clear and I believe this is
the concensus at AA; we have nothing against the
good people that work at US. Am sure you are great
people. But the reality is that US does not bring value
to a restructure AA. Good luck to the people at US and
AA.

 

[AAviator]

Really big of you to appreciate a gesture where an employee trashes their own airline.

But your new buddy's bad attitude misses some things, such as: the operational performance (on tiime, completion factor, baggage handling), of US is better than AAs, and most others. The on board service is about the same as other airlines I've been on. The pilot situation is is bad, no doubt, but except for those that live on this board, not a huge issue in day to day ops.

As for DP trying to peddle US, you try to make it sound like a bad thing. He should be. It's the only way to grow in a mature industry.

I'm just a ground worker who is paid well, treated well, and worked hard. And not lusting after AA.

The domestic industry is somewhat mature. For the reasons DP is peddling, shouldn't JBLU, Virgin America, and Spirit be doing the same for that matter? After AA emerges, LCC is in deeper trouble.

 

[ebwgs]

Nice gesture. Really, I mean that.

Given the reality of LCC's situation and viability going forward, I would much prefer the go it alone route. I feel that LCC would be not adding value to the AA brand or network that LCC employees seem to think. I also understand why you'd like to see it happen. We don't have that same need. In reality, I had the same concerns for our future that you have... But that changed with the BK.

DP had been peddling LCC for as long as anyone can remember, and its obvious U need us more than we need you.

Sorry, nothing personal.

Now let me get this straight. Your company just entered Chapter 11, you're bleeding cash, losing market share etc. etc., and you're doubting the "viability" of another carrier? Really? OK. Carry on!

 

[usa1]

AA would be wise to go along with the merger ..... and then shut down a lot of the old US Airways. Would help themselves and the rest of the industry .... until capacity is removed the industry is sick .... and labor is screwed.

 

[RevThruster]

Let me make something clear and I believe this is
the concensus at AA; we have nothing against the
good people that work at US. Am sure you are great
people. But the reality is that US does not bring value
to a restructure AA. Good luck to the people at US and
AA.

Maybe you should go back and read some of the nasty things that your Co-Workers post about the people of US - it is rather disturbing, how a worker bee of Bankrupt AMR, can have such a hoitee toitee attitude.

 

[FWAAA]

Agree. CAPA's good at analyzing data, but after reading this, I'm not too impressed with their ability to analyze someone else's published analysis...

Case and point: pointing out dropping the MDW leases as a sign that AA didn't want to compete against WN. Never mind the fact that AA hadn't been at MDW in years, and the lease dropped was likely the manager's office --- all of the above & below the wing services at MDW were contracted from NW or CO if I recall...

Agreed. While there are numerous errors and misunderstandings in the CAPA report, I'm too lazy to list all of them. Here's one:

While Boeing and Airbus could cancel the contracts for the new order because of the bankruptcy filing, it is highly unlikely since the order is strategically important to both. Airbus got into all-Boeing American and Boeing made sure that it was not a complete transition and was finally pushed to make up its mind on its next aircraft model. There is little question that its mega aircraft deal took a possible filing into account.

Debtors have the option to reject executory contracts, but that right doesn't extend to the other partie to those contracts.

 

[AAviator]

Now let me get this straight. Your company just entered Chapter 11, you're bleeding cash, losing market share etc. etc., and you're doubting the "viability" of another carrier? Really? OK. Carry on!

Yep, we'll get our problems straightened out. Without U. If U was a viable carrier longer term, why is DP dying to hop in the sack? And why are you sounding so desperate? We're the ones in front of the judge! And who asked you in the first place!?

Lol!

 

[AAviator]

AA would be wise to go along with the merger ..... and then shut down a lot of the old US Airways. Would help themselves and the rest of the industry .... until capacity is removed the industry is sick .... and labor is screwed.

Thats probably what would happen in AA's second BK if Dougie has his way. Not sure how "wise" is would be, but then, hey, you'd have your seniority... right?

 

[RevThruster]

Thats probably what would happen in AA's second BK if Dougie has his way. Not sure how "wise" is would be, but then, hey, you'd have your seniority... right?

Wow, so ill informed and immature. I say let AA go it alone, then it will be a shell of what it once was. If everyone thinks things are just going to be easy breezy and AA will come out flawless and untouched, boy, do we have some shockers coming - The problem on this board, is there a bunch of UN-LEVEL headed opinions, with little factual information, and those opinions of people are controlled by fear and emotion. The same people that were on here bashing other airlines and trashing them through their bankruptcies, are the same ones who are now, going through what they just trashed and hee-hawwed about when the others were going through it. You see, if you go back and read, you will find these same people claiming AMR isn't a carrier that relies on BK, and OW is not a BK alliance, and AMR is going to buy the routes of ........... carrier in BK, I could go on and on and on... Now, the reality is, the likelihood of it happening to them is REAL, and it is AA that could have their routes purchased and their company pieced out, or PURCHASED by their smaller yet HEALTHIER rival. The SAME loud mouth ill-informed individuals , are the same ones who are on here spewing now. It is an uncontrollable emotional mess. Reality that AA is no longer competitive and a failing entity, is being served up hot and steamy to the employees and many have a hard time accepting it. AA is no longer what it used to be, the cornerstone strategy is absolutely one of the poorest business decisions AA could make. More poor decisions like this, and US will pick up the bones at the graveyard and not worry about the employees of AA at all.

 

[767one]

Yep, we'll get our problems straightened out. Without U. If U was a viable carrier longer term, why is DP dying to hop in the sack? And why are you sounding so desperate? We're the ones in front of the judge! And who asked you in the first place!?

Lol!

I do know why DP is trying for another merger....he wants to make a S**itload of money for himself and a few select few annointed ones at U. I could care less myself about another merger because I know darn well they usually don't make a better airline, they just leave another big mess for the employees who are left to clean up. Its a moot point for me because I have one foot out the door (for the second time) and I know that whoever is running the place when I leave doesn't matter to me because all I'll get is some useless pass priviledge unless they do away with those also.


Best of luck to all!


Bob

 

[AAviator]

and US will pick up the bones at the graveyard and not worry about the employees of AA at all.

Wow, We've seen LCC (not) execute a ICT, a UCT, an operation minnow, another trip to the alter with UAL, a split where the East is sold to AA and the west is sent adrift, a sniff at Republic, Frontier,... Did I miss any? You call that a track record? US and AWA were bankrupt how may times and still can't get the traction required to prosper as a stand alone? With the lowest wages of the legacy carriers? Am I supposed to be scared of U?

And this is sure to happen? Nobody knows what is going to happen. Not even you.

"Paging ewbgs!"

 

[767one]

I disagree. I think Horton and Co. are smart enough to lower costs and avoid the merger drama. If a competitor needs to be taken out let someone else do it. AA will have plenty on its plate with out the forever infighting "u".

I disagree also. Eliminating a competitor in this business never seems to work. Either another airline adds service or another upstart enters the market.


Regards,
Bob

 

[ebwgs]

Wow, We've seen LCC (not) execute a ICT, a UCT, an operation minnow, another trip to the alter with UAL, a split where the East is sold to AA and the west is sent adrift, a sniff at Republic, Frontier,... Did I miss any? You call that a track record? US and AWA were bankrupt how may times and still can't get the traction required to prosper as a stand alone? With the lowest wages of the legacy carriers? Am I supposed to be scared of U?

And this is sure to happen? Nobody knows what is going to happen. Not even you.

"Paging ewbgs!"

Hey AAV thanks for reminding me of all of those US setbacks. And we're still in business. And for some reason you've taken to trying to convince yourself that you're not "afraid of U." Hmmm...What did Shakespeare write about "the lady doth protest too much?" Don't know your gender but I figure you get my drift. But you're right, and as I've maintained all along nobody knows what's going to happen. You might want to hope that AA is still around after your BK filing in a few years so you too can look back on all of their screw ups and say: "But we're still here." Who knows?

 

[WorldTraveler]

FWAAA,
let's see how it plays out but we still have this notion that AA is going to walk away from its leased fleet and its owned older aircraft fleet which amounts to about 200 aircraft. I just don't see the creditors allowing to walk away from that many viable assets... and remember that according to AMR's financials, the entire AE fleet is owned.... we are talking billions of dollars worth of OWNED aircraft which you and others are saying AA will walk away from, on top of the leases they are going to reject, and somehow all of these creditors are supposed to receive some sort of restitution for these losses?
.
You do know what happens if what creditors can expect to recover is too low - or claims are too high relative to the value of the enterprise? It can be decided that it is better off to liquidate the company and distribute the proceeds from liquidation to the creditors than it is to restructure the company. Or worse yet, the company could be worth more sold to someone else.
You just can't dump all the legacy parts of a company and expect to be able to restructure it and remain independent.

767one,
your theory has historically been true but capacity discipline has been seen more in the past 2 years than it has been since deregulation has begun. There is enough desire to capture AA's unique revenue but it is not at all a given that there won't be alot of capacity come out of the system in the process.
You did notice that most other airline stocks are up based on schedules which AA and others have filed for the first half of 2012 showing capacity IS coming out of the system?

 

[AAviator]

Hey AAV thanks for reminding me of all of those US setbacks.


And we're still in business.
(for now)




But we're still here.
(for now)

Who knows?

Do you catch my drift? We're on the ropes right now. The last thing we need is an anchor.