A330s

[BoeingBoy]

Gee thats six posts that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and yes I left out the one you wrote about me.

Now count the posts where I tell others what should and shouldn't be posted in a thread... Then count your's doing that

Don't bring a toothpick to a gunfight...

Jim

 

[strangiatotheme]

Every autumn they pull down A330s to do the mods, yet every spring we get the same A330s back without any mods that anyone can see.

The -200s that were delivered with the old Envoy cabin received the mods when they were pulled down. AFAIK, due to the certification requirements with the suites, the mods for the -300s have always been scheduled to start this fall, not anytime earlier.

 

[A320 Driver]

There is no fool like an old fool!!!
You think PHX will see anything to China before PHL....
rant on old man rant on!!

NICDOA
NPJB

Sorry Barrister, but I don't think that what he said, at least in one post. Maybe I missed something...

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A332's replace 767's
767 either replace older 757's or go back to leasor's
A350 east coast-Europe, replacing 767's or additional service
A350 east coast-Asia
A350 PHX-Europe
A350 PHX-Asia

Jim
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Driver B)

 

[BoeingBoy]

Sorry Barrister, but I don't think that what he said, at least in one post. Maybe I missed something...

He apparently misread the post before that where I was strictly talking about the first wide-body flying out of PHX, not the distribution of widebodys on order. I said something about PHX-Asia IF US decided to do Asia before getting the A350's - something Parker has said before. The post you quoted was about the distribution of widebodies as they come and he apparently ignored that one.

Jim

 

[Travelpro72]

Oh who cares where the A330 flies, could fly or who pisses the furthest. What I find a true product of the "Tempe way" is that all of the A330's aren't done yet. Take other carriers, namely Delta for instance. They gut the airplane and revamp the damn thing from top to bottom. Instead Tempe will do one here and there, maybe finish them by the start of the next season and then they'll slip cover seats, spray what looks like canned spray string on the walls and slap a swoosh on the bulkhead. DONE! ! ! Been on a 757 that Delta owns that was a former TWA plane via AA? Your jaw would drop. 🙄

PS. By the time they finish the last A330 the first A330 done will need updated.

 

[BoeingBoy]

What I find a true product of the "Tempe way" is that all of the A330's aren't done yet.

They don't like to rush anything, do they? Except fees and fare increases, that is.

Jim

 

[Maark767]

Sorry Barrister, but I don't think that what he said, at least in one post. Maybe I missed something...

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A332's replace 767's
767 either replace older 757's or go back to leasor's
A350 east coast-Europe, replacing 767's or additional service
A350 east coast-Asia
A350 PHX-Europe
A350 PHX-Asia

Jim
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Driver B)

PHX-Europe/Asia??? Really? Are there premium fares in those markets??

 

[BoeingBoy]

PHX-Europe/Asia???

BA flies to London and has for a number of years so I assume they're making money. Any Asia service before the A350's come would almost have to be from PHX, but I don't expect that for a number of years. Probably PHL-Asia with the A350 first unless the world economy really picks up and makes the Asia service attractive again.

Jim

 

[strangiatotheme]

PHX-Europe/Asia??? Really? Are there premium fares in those markets??

BA flies to London and has for a number of years so I assume they're making money.
Jim

The fact that BA is sending a 4-class 747 vs a 3-class 777 says something about the premium fares on that route.

 

[notquiteUS]

Oh who cares where the A330 flies, could fly or who pisses the furthest. What I find a true product of the "Tempe way" is that all of the A330's aren't done yet. Take other carriers, namely Delta for instance. They gut the airplane and revamp the damn thing from top to bottom. Instead Tempe will do one here and there, maybe finish them by the start of the next season and then they'll slip cover seats, spray what looks like canned spray string on the walls and slap a swoosh on the bulkhead. DONE! ! ! Been on a 757 that Delta owns that was a former TWA plane via AA? Your jaw would drop. 🙄

PS. By the time they finish the last A330 the first A330 done will need updated.

Does US have as much $ or make as much money as Delta (the largest airline in the world) ? How are you so familiar with what goes on with their "revamping" from your current position ? Pics of the former TWA 757 or it didn't happen...

 

[Travelpro72]

Does US have as much $ or make as much money as Delta (the largest airline in the world) ? How are you so familiar with what goes on with their "revamping" from your current position ? Pics of the former TWA 757 or it didn't happen...

Well I think we're all too familiar with how things are done. Regardless of my position just go to airliners.net or jetphotos.net and you do the comparing by yourself.

 

[strangiatotheme]

Well I think we're all too familiar with how things are done. Regardless of my position just go to airliners.net or jetphotos.net and you do the comparing by yourself.

It looks like the only difference is that they have PTVs and slimline seats in Economy. I'll admit that ours could use new seats and entertainment technology - something that I've actually heard upper management hint at for the TATL 757s - and maybe new PSUs, but honestly, everything else looks about the same...new laminate on the cabin walls, bin extensions, brighter lights (getting rid of that godawful yellow tint), etc.

 

[Travelpro72]

It's just how it's done at US. They do things in stages where some a/c have old walls, old bulkheads but with the old A330 seats. Tell me that they didn't use the A330 seats that were previously in rows 6 and 7 on the A330-300's? There were 12 seats torn out of that aircraft and magically appeared on the 757's. US does a slipcover job where Delta completely overhaules their interiors.

 

[strangiatotheme]

It's just how it's done at US. They do things in stages where some a/c have old walls, old bulkheads but with the old A330 seats. Tell me that they didn't use the A330 seats that were previously in rows 6 and 7 on the A330-300's? There were 12 seats torn out of that aircraft and magically appeared on the 757's. US does a slipcover job where Delta completely overhaules their interiors.

Literally ripping out the seats and putting them in a different aircraft is a pretty cheap move, sure, but do you not agree that utilizing the same product between the 757 and A330 was a good thing? The Business Elite seats on Delta's 75Es are (or were at the time) nearly identical to what can/could be found on the 767s and 777s. Sure they might have not have been reusing seats like US was, BUT the product was standard across those fleets when they overhauled their cabins. And correct me if I'm wrong, but were there not issues with the certification of the new wall laminates/bulkheads that caused installation delays? That doesn't change the fact that the cabins still looked like #### while they got whatever they needed to figure out figured out, but I'm not sure if that was necessarily their intent from the start to have things done on different schedules.

Then again, I could also imagine a montage, set to Yakety Sax, of US upper-levels making decisions on cabin mods. Which could also explain what you see out there. I'm not really sure anymore! At least we seem to have a better direction in that department now than in years past.

 

[Travelpro72]

Literally ripping out the seats and putting them in a different aircraft is a pretty cheap move, sure, but do you not agree that utilizing the same product between the 757 and A330 was a good thing? The Business Elite seats on Delta's 75Es are (or were at the time) nearly identical to what can/could be found on the 767s and 777s. Sure they might have not have been reusing seats like US was, BUT the product was standard across those fleets when they overhauled their cabins. And correct me if I'm wrong, but were there not issues with the certification of the new wall laminates/bulkheads that caused installation delays? That doesn't change the fact that the cabins still looked like #### while they got whatever they needed to figure out figured out, but I'm not sure if that was necessarily their intent from the start to have things done on different schedules.

Then again, I could also imagine a montage, set to Yakety Sax, of US upper-levels making decisions on cabin mods. Which could also explain what you see out there. I'm not really sure anymore! At least we seem to have a better direction in that department now than in years past.

When they installed Envoy seats on the 757 there were already coffin seats on the 767 so so much for standard. The issues with the laminates/bulkheads was on the A330-200 if I remember correctly. I hope they continue to improve the product as far as seating and get the A330-300 done quickly. With the slim seating in coach maybe they'll finally allow hmmm I don't know, passenger comfort? Here's hoping.