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"A key feature of the bill, designed by a bipartisan Congress to stabilize the industry, has been converted into a labor-bashing weapon by the White House. Anybody who doesnt believe that should have a talk with Herb Holland, Chris Beebe, and Paul Whiteford.

The bottom line then is this: In spite of the seven best years of growth and profitability in aviation history, a tough situation has been made critical because

(1) many airline managements wasted billions of dollars buying back their undervalued stock instead of making regular, affordable contributions to their pension plans;

(2) managements believed that their pricing model, which was built on the false hope of a bubble economy, would last forever;

(3) taxes and user fees are $11 billion a year26 percent of the average ticket, and almost three times as high as total pilot costs, which average 8 to 10 percent of operating costs ;and

(4) after the terrorist attacks victimized the airline industry, two-thirds of the Airline Stabilization Act funds are being held back to extort long-term labor contract restructurings.

And, finally, to add insult to injury, if the McCain/Lott bill ever becomes law, collective bargaining will be over for this industry.

So, what are we going to tell your MECs in six weeks when they show up in Florida, assembled as the Board of Directorsour unions highest governing body?

How are wethe National Officers, the Executive Council, and especially you, the Master Chairmen along with your fellow MEC officersgoing to lead these delegates in such a manner that they leave Florida energized, focused, committed, and united to preserve, protect, and enhance this profession, which is basically under siege now?

We have only one way. If we are to have any chance of being successful as leaders in Floridawe must leave this Executive Board in Virginia energized, focused, committed, and united ourselves.

We must process this agenda, which is the Board of Directors agenda, so that our recommendations to the Board reflect a consensus of the leadership here who realize how high the stakes are for our collective futures.

Whatever honest differences of opinions exist on agenda items over content, over intent, or over wording, must be resolved here by the forty Master Chairmen here who know each other and have worked together before, because, I guarantee you, if you cant work it out here in Virginia, 300 relatively inexperienced delegates who dont know each other have no chance at all in Florida.

I must tell you that not since the early 1980s has there been such a critical need to have a unifying Board of Directors meeting. During the period from 1981 to 1987, an average of 10 percent and as much as 15 percent of ALPAs seniority list was out of work. In a three-year timespan, Braniff failed, Continental went into bankruptcy, American started the B-scale, and United went on strike.

Most of the participants at the 1982 and 1984 Board of Directors meetings believed that the delegates spent more time arguing over minutiae and fighting with each other than dealing with the growing crisis in the piloting profession. Not until after the United strike was a special Board of Directors meeting called in 1985 to form the Major Contingency Fund. Only then did we begin to unify our fight against hostile managements and governments instead of wasting energy jousting with each other.

Now, to defend this profession in 200220 years laterwe must begin our counterattack on hostile managements and government at this meeting. Not in 2004 or at some special meeting we might call in 2005. We must do it now." ALPA FASTREAD.

At least Herb was smart enough to fight for ALL pilots. Ferguson, Koontz, Vasin and Simmons have piled on other airline pilots working for other carriers to ladder themselves up on others backs.
Modern day pirates.
 
Claxon said:
Spoken by one of the architects of the debacle. The 2004 west hires tried to jump the line and ended up swimming in the bottom of the FISHBOWL for a decade. Blomgren, and Herb Holland warned you. Then you pulled Herb and installed the greedy new hires. Huge mistake.
How does Ferguson even show his face? Koontz as well. The master plan of Sparta has destroyed west pilots careers.


"They need to take responsibility for that."

U-Turn
 
Checking in to see if any of the West posters are leaking anything from the SLI.
Any " big smiles" from CB53 like last time he leaked the 9 th info?
 
Black Swan said:
Checking in to see if any of the West posters are leaking anything from the SLI.
Any " big smiles" from CB53 like last time he leaked the 9 th info?
Why would Carey take office at midnight and fire Ed James :15 minutes later?
 
Claxon said:
Why would Carey take office at midnight and fire Ed James :15 minutes later?


I would not read to much into that if I were you...........that being said you really can't be to sure although a lot us do hope this will take longer to actually combine everything.
 
I haven't heard anything on the SLI. I would have thought some rumors or something would have surfaced by now...
 
AA76LRdvr said:
I would not read to much into that if I were you...........that being said you really can't be to sure although a lot us do hope this will take longer to actually combine everything.


Huh, seems logical when someone messes up or you don't get the expected results from them you get canned.........what could they be so upset about I wonder.
 
A320 Driver said:
I haven't heard anything on the SLI. I would have thought some rumors or something would have surfaced by now...
plenty of general rumors, very few plausibly informed
 
luvthe9 said:
Huh, seems logical when someone messes up or you don't get the expected results from them you get canned.........what could they be so upset about I wonder.
Yeah, if your counsel does a bang up job with the SLI, and you the new president of APA hears the SLI strategy and results Ed James produced was favorable- you can him just after you take office. Hmmmmmm.
 
Phoenix said:
I think the legal clowncel had it coming for a long time.
True, but if they delivered the prize they would be feted and hoisted on the shoulders of LAA pilots. Not the case here.
 
McIlvenna on C&R crying about the east big upgrades. Yes, separate ops proves the east case. Now east 99 hires capturing left seats while west 98 hires swim in the Bowl....
Johnny ( how can we turn in east pilots ) McIlvenna still cannot figure out JCBA requirements for east/west integration. Johnny is just not too smart.
Should have listened to Herb Holland and Blomgren.....
 
U-Turn answers questions from the line

There have been many questions lately from pilots asking how did we get here and where do we go next. This and future U-Turns will try to put some of the more divisive issues to rest.

Question One: Why did Dave Blomgren and Frank Helton force Misty Winkler to vote for the Transition agreement?

That never happened. We could not get Misty to vote no, we begged her to vote no. We made our best case why this agreement was not good for the AWA pilots, but we could not get her or the other three Reps to change their minds.

Question two: Did Brice LeCarre recall David Blomgren and Frank Helton?

Yes he did, the reason for the recall was very specific. He said we voted no for the Best Transition agreement that ALPA had ever seen, therefore we were not acting in the best interest of the pilots. That was the only reason he gave for his recall.

Question three: Why did Dave Blomgren and Frank Helton vote against the agreement?

David Blomgren: “we did not have furlough protection, and we had 20 plus A/C that were coming to AWA that in the agreement were changed to east A/C.”

Frank Helton did not like some of the loose language in the agreement. He felt we should not vote before the east did. He also wanted to put it out for a pilot vote. That’s where the decision to modify our contract (the TA was a modification, no matter how you look at it) belongs.

Question four: Why did we vote against the B-757 side letter for the Hawaii trips?

The Merger Attorney and Merger committee Chair Ken Stravers, Said we needed to hold out to get differential pay to help in the seniority fight. I find it funny the reason we did not continually the fight with the new Reps was they said it was unfair to give the B-757 guys a pay raise. Now we have 500 plus east guys on top of the nick list because of their short sightedness. When they did finally get the B-757 Hawaii side letter (just before ALPA left the property) they gave away key stuff on our current contract. All they had to do was sign the agreement we had with the company, which gave us everything they got without any give backs. See the copy of the agreement at the bottom of this e-mail.

Question five: Why did David Blomgren and Frank Helton force the Negotiating Committee to vote for this Transition agreement.

I find this one to be the best one floating around. First, NCs don’t “vote.” They only recommend. We voted no because of the reasons in question three. We felt if we held out we could get extra protection for the AWA pilot like we did in the ATA agreement (no furlough for three years or a single agreement). This is what we told our C-62 members:

C-62 Pilots,

I feel that you should have a reason why Frank Helton and I voted no on the Transition Agreement. If you go back to the number one demand we required in our letter to Mr. Parker signed by all the LEC Reps, MEC, Merger and Negotiating Committee which said,” Job Security- Not one America West Pilot will lose his/her job as a result of this transaction or result of the effects of this transaction” we feel we have let down the lower half of the seniority (Save Odell). Without a no furlough agreement this transition agreement will not protect AWA pilots. You will hear from everyone else that we had no furlough protection in contract 2004 so we did not lose anything in this transition agreement. But we gained EMB 190 flying in 2008; the problem with this is Dave Odell will be on the street. I was elected to fight for AWA pilots even the most Junior ones.

For two senior guys like Frank and Myself, we will not be affected by this merger, but we seem to be the only ones fighting for our Junior Pilots at AWA.

Our future brothers and sisters at USair are standing strong, they just filed an objection to the BK court over the loss of their board seat. At this time, they are standing strong in the fight risking all for what is right. I hope they exceed where we have failed. I will be glad to welcome pilots that will stand by for what is right and just. With the influx of their strength we may finally out number the spineless group here at AWA. You have your 190s in 2008, (unless they cancel the order, that has never happened before) sorry Dave Odell, 190s are more important than you.



David Blomgren



Here is what the Negotiating Chairmen said after we put out our reason for voting no on the Transition agreement in Sep 2005.

Topic: Let's clear the air...please (5 of 26), Read 463 times

Conf: GENERAL
From: MARK BURDICK
Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 01:30 AM

All,

The JNC (Joint Negotiating Committee) definitely obtained the best
Transition Agreement in the industry to date. This TA will be used as a
template for many future consolidations to come. You can now judge for
yourselves, with the actual document now available. I fortunately don't have
to "sell it", it sells itself. I am proud of the work we have accomplished,
even in spite of the BS politics that have been trying to distract us. I had
no agenda, but to get the best possible Transition Agreement for you, the
Pilots of America West Airlines. In an industry that is full of uncertainty,
I know that this TA is filled with protections and enhancements for all of
us (and our families) and will serve us well into the future.

I really would like to continue on and be a part of the Single CBA
Negotiations. I would never quit; but I fear that after I reveal the
internal politics, I will probably be relieved of my duties as NC Chairman.
I know that I have the support of Mark, Lance, Matt, and Misty; but as you
can see, Johnny Mac has put a target on my head. Dave and Frank will admit
privately that this is a good TA (they helped review it every step of the
way, they should think so). However, they want to reserve the right to say
"I told you so" if there is even a slight unforeseen glitch down the road.
They had the roll call votes to turn this TA down; why didn't they? They
knew that it was a great TA, and to turn it down would be political suicide.
Funny, I thought this was about protecting our pilots, not being a weasel
politician. I have lost all respect for Dave and Frank, and I wash my hands
of these two individuals. I had thought (before this TA vote) that they
represented AWA Pilots, I was wrong; I think their egos have blinded their
judgment. Their "all or nothing" approach was naive at best, but risked our
security, and that is inexcusable, intolerable, and unconscionable.

The Misrepresentation (that was pasted on to Martin Zacharias) came from our
very own MEC Vice-Chairman John McIlvenna. I had to remove John from the
negotiating process a while back, because everything he proposed was
preposterous and would have hurt this pilot group. I made a command decision
to remove John in order to protect every last pilot and this is how John
tried to repay me (see his email below).

Mark Burdick

P.S. So much for staying out of the politics. I did try, but the lies and
slander had to be exposed sooner or latter.
 
U-Turn Replies to Jim Van Sickle



On Fri 4/18/08, U-Turn received this from former west negotiator Jim Van Sickle:

From: Jim Van Sickle ([email protected])
Sent: Fri 4/18/08 12:54 PM
To: [email protected]

Dave,
I hope you realize you are partially responsible for what occurred to our pilot group today.
Your non stop attempts to undermine our leadership, and fraternization with our enemies on the East have hurt the cause of the AWA pilots more than you can comprehend.
I hope you are proud of yourself.

Jim Van Sickle


Jim, I feel your pain, but U-Turn had nothing to do with ALPA getting canned. First, 90% of all West pilots voted for ALPA. Only 1% supported USAPA. Those are ALPA’s polling. ALPA lost by 469 votes. Nothing U-Turn wrote changed any West votes.

Second, U-Turn NEVER put out anything encouraging West pilots to support USAPA. We urged the opposite. U-Turn recognized that only ALPA could guarantee the NIC. With ALPA gone, and no participation by the West in USAPA, the NIC is dead. If you don’t think so, file a DFR and see how far it goes.

Third, what difference did U-Turn’s criticism of our MEC blunders have on the election?

They elected Rick Pitt’s buddy and union political novice, Kevin Kent as MEC Chairman. His major “accomplishment” in seven weeks in office was to negotiate on his own with the company. Without taking a Rep with him, he negotiated an agreement on merger funding. The East got over $1.4 million. He negotiated $180,000. If we had 50% of what East got, we wouldn’t need the second assessment.

The MEC thought we were entitled to 90% of the new 757s. The East offered us 40%. We turned them down. Just before expedited arbitration was to begin, our merger attorney Freund told us we couldn’t win. We ended up settling for a 40% IOU that we still haven’t been able to use.

The East offered us 40% of the E-190 CA positions in a non-precedent DOH basis. McIlvenna and Dotter demanded a rotating bidding system that would put the most senior pilot on reserve every four months. We ended up in arbitration and lost. We got 33% of the CA slots as IOU. No west pilots have upgraded on the 190. If we took their DOH offer, we would have upgraded over 40 West pilots already. Almost half could hold lines.

The MEC waved the FUD and told us to vote for the assessment last year. The money went to ALPA National. It’s gone now. So is the $300,000 lump sum that the company guaranteed our MEC in the TA for completing seniority integration. ALPA took it with them.

The MEC pushed a Hawaii LOA that got us the money we should have gotten two years ago. In return, we gave up our no two-duty periods in one calendar day protections.

Jim, in spite of all the MEC blunders that U-Turn exposed, 90+% of West pilots supported ALPA. U-Turn had no effect.

“fraternization with our enemies on the East.” What information did I give the East that changed one vote on either side? Attacking me based on who my friends are is McCarthyism. Your AWAPPA leadership has sunk to character assassination and intimidation. This is what your leader wrote to a West pilot (not me):

From: "John McIlvenna" <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:43 AM

I hope the pilot group does not know about your plan to pay USAPA dues and join as a member, else I fear for your safety.

Anyone who supports a leader like John McIlvenna who throws out veiled threats is just as sick as John.

U-Turn didn’t get ALPA thrown off the property. Neither did the MEC. ALPA got itself thrown off. Prater’s lack of leadership and ALPA’s refusal to present the list right after it came out gave USAPA the time to get ALPA thrown off the property. ALPA should have put the entire East MEC in trusteeship when they stalled and didn’t bargain in good faith. ALPA would still be gone, but at least we would have a NIC contract. That’s where the conflict of interest really is, Jim.

When George Hopkins writes the East/West chapter in Flying the Line, III, U-Turn won’t even get a footnote. ALPA did it to itself. ALPA got caught up in a true conflict of interest and couldn’t figure a way out. What’s done is done. Get over it.

PREDICTION: The ALPA BOD will remove Prater at their semi-annual meeting this fall.

Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn
 
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