2015 Pilot Discussion.

[53Cactusboy]

[SIZE=12pt]US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit                                                                       26 June 2015[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]“…USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots’ exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation.  USAPA’s manifest disregard for the interests of the West Pilots and its discriminatory conduct towards them constitutes a clear breach of duty.  Accordingly, we reverse the district court’s conclusion that USAPA did not breach its duty of fair representation, and remand with instructions to enjoin USAPA from participating in the McCaskill-Bond proceedings except to the extent that USAPA will advocate the Nicolau Award..”[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=12pt]“….This means that the new East Pilots Merger Committee will have to decide whether it is, in face, subject to the injunction….But if the members of the new committee are working with USAPA or USAPA’s agents, the injunction shall prohibit the new committee from advocating something other than the Nicolau Award.  Members of the new committee working in concert with USAPA who advocate something other than the Nicolau Award will be subject to contempt sanctions.  The new committee members and their counsel must decide, at their substantial peril, whether they are subject to the injunction…”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Roslyn O. Silver                                                                                                       22 September 2015[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Senior United States District Judge[/SIZE]

 

[end_of_alpa]

Wow.  That sure is a lot of blather, jealous posting about Capt. Aux & Mitch, and chest thumping kids.  You seem a little worried.
 
I'm sure that you'll be fine.  While the arbitration panel participants work in the same industry (if not the same offices) of respected arbitrator George Nicolau, I'm sure they know nothing of the volumes of USAPA tactics that have occurred over the past 7-8 years.  The RICO charges.  The fake Address-gate nonsense, and finally the long-overdue ruling of the Ninth that USAPA is in fact in breech of DFR.
 
I haven't the slightest idea which way the seniority winds will blow.  All I know is that your group has not nor will ever keep your word in ANY legal exchange.  Your word is not your bond.  Pretty simple stuff.

So you change your "handle" but the tune is the same. And as always nobody is listening to you. All these years and all you have to show for it is a little "jingle" back in your pocket (and I mean little) while STILL sitting in the sand box. Going from DS to SD. What's THAT all about anyway?

 

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Ah yes. I too awoke to not just two, but four thumbs. Checked again, and yes I have my hands and feet still attached.
Like a monkey named snowflake, I am pretty confident the wrongs of the last decade will be quickly be righted in one fell swoop in literally less than 1 month!
Just like that, the argument made by my lovable coworkers will be wiped out.
They may claim victory trying to justify once again their position.
Their position that they were right all along.
Why? Because the AA pilots didn't do to them what they feared the most... doing exactly what they did to the Wesr.
So consumed with the micro, unable to see the macro.
Good on you east, and your peers.
Looks like you won, but again, you don't seems to realize you lost.

And just think.....we haven't even gotten to 2020 when a new contract gets to be negotiated. Who do you think is going to prevail there? Hint: It won't be APA.

 

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Hey 53Cactusboy.....SD, welcome back to REALITY!

 

[luvthe9]

Hey 53Cactusboy.....SD, welcome back to REALITY!

Our boy flounder seems to be more "desperate" than usual...........to bad flounder you did not take the NIC when we offered.

 

[Phoenix]

Isn't the "draft" list (yeah, "draft") published?

It will be what it will be, arguments were over long ago. Whiners are just consoling themselves at this point.

"Fair and equitable" is the only necessary comment.. Or maybe "booyah".

 

[Beancounter]

Did you notice the silence of west posters or the outbursts of some on other venues that are downright irritable? Like surprise never posted here before but I am so mad I can not hold back? Realistically the WEST Comm is AOL and AOL knows! Like we know their rush to claim victory would be quicker than some guy turning you in for running an apu's on the ground!

 
We're silent, because of being critically staffed in Phoenix.  Hard to find time with 90+ hour lines, starting in June.  I haven't heard if it's the Nic or not.  How about we start a rumor........ it's DOH.  It's not America West it's American West now.  I know this because I saw it on a hotel check in sheet.  Hope we can all get along when we start flying together towards the end of the year or early 17'.  I plan on being professional, maybe even nice
 
Bean 

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

We're silent, because of being critically staffed in Phoenix.  Hard to find time with 90+ hour lines, starting in June.  I haven't heard if it's the Nic or not.  How about we start a rumor........ it's DOH.  It's not America West it's American West now.  I know this because I saw it on a hotel check in sheet.  Hope we can all get along when we start flying together towards the end of the year or early 17'.  I plan on being professional, maybe even nice
 
Bean

. Critically staffed? Blame USAPA! It is American West a hotel sheet cannot be wrong!

 

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We're silent, because of being critically staffed in Phoenix.  Hard to find time with 90+ hour lines, starting in June.  I haven't heard if it's the Nic or not.  How about we start a rumor........ it's DOH.  It's not America West it's American West now.  I know this because I saw it on a hotel check in sheet.  Hope we can all get along when we start flying together towards the end of the year or early 17'.  I plan on being professional, maybe even nice
 
Bean

You have a new contract and you have a job. Think ten years of fishbowl may have had something to do with it? We're just used to hearing you Westies blaming someone else all the time. Silent? There's a new one.

 

[luvthe9]

We're silent, because of being critically staffed in Phoenix.  Hard to find time with 90+ hour lines, starting in June.  I haven't heard if it's the Nic or not.  How about we start a rumor........ it's DOH.  It's not America West it's American West now.  I know this because I saw it on a hotel check in sheet.  Hope we can all get along when we start flying together towards the end of the year or early 17'.  I plan on being professional, maybe even nice
 
Bean

Stop your whining, you clowns voted for this POS JCBA.

 

[EastUS1]

I haven't the slightest idea which way the seniority winds will blow.  ....

 
Welcome to reality. So much for all your infantile postings of how "This is Sparta!" and "It's going to be epic!" one must now suppose...?
 
53Cactusboy: "All I know is that your group has not nor will ever keep your word in ANY legal exchange.  Your word is not your bond.  Pretty simple stuff." English translation = "Waaaah!" Have a fresh box of tissues on me kid.

 

[Claxon]

http://youtu.be/Cu1ViqP9Ybc


90 + month in the Fishbowl
Very productive......

 

[EastUS1]

And just think.....we haven't even gotten to 2020 when a new contract gets to be negotiated. Who do you think is going to prevail there? Hint: It won't be APA.

 
At even the most incredibly opportune moment in airline history, one where airline profits soared to never before even dreamed of levels, and greed-soaked management would've sold whatever tiny fragments of "souls" they yet had to manufacture a merger; all the "pilots" did was nothing more than roll over and play dead, or at best beg for scraps. I'm very glad I was privileged to experience aviation in times before it degenerated into a pathetic cesspool of forever floundering wimps:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc
 
 
 
P.S. A lot can and will happen in this world before 2020, but one thing I can no longer at all imagine is the magical manifestation of both "unity" and a collective "spine" hereabouts...I wish you all the best regardless.

 

[53Cactusboy]

[SIZE=12pt]The Ninth Circuit’s holding, that the denial of the Nicolau Award in Paragraph 10.h. of the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]MOU breached USAPA’s duty of fair representation, is effectively the tie-breaker on this question.  With the Ninth Circuit’s affirmation of the West Pilots’ reasonable expectation of the Nicolau Award, the AASPIC acknowledges it as the starting point for ranking the East and West Pilots on the ISL. As part of the ISL, the US Airways Pilots (East and West) should be ordered based on the Nicola Award……the job allocations as between the West and East Pilots must be rationalized according to the Nicolau Award as those pilots compete for jobs with each other for the first time, so that West Pilots achieve their expectations vis a vis the East Pilots.[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]AAPSIC Pre-Hearing Statement                                                               19 Sept 2015[/SIZE]

 

[53Cactusboy]

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[SIZE=12pt]The submission of a dispute to an unbiased third person designated by the parties to the controversy, who agree in advance to comply with the award—a decision to be issued after a hearing at which both parties have an opportunity to be heard.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Arbitration is a well-established and widely used means to end disputes. It is one of several kinds of [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Alternative Dispute Resolution[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], which provide parties to a controversy with a choice other than litigation. Unlike litigation, arbitration takes place out of court: the two sides select an impartial third party, known as an arbitrator; agree in advance to comply with the arbitrator's award; and then participate in a hearing at which both sides can present evidence and testimony. The arbitrator's decision is usually final, and courts rarely reexamine it….[/SIZE]