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US Airways president Scott Kirby said Thursday that the airline believes a merger with AMR and American Airlines will help US Airways resolve the prolonged seniority dispute of pilots at US Airways.

Responding to a question at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch conference, Kirby talked about the dispute between pilots of US Airways and America West Airlines after the 2005 merger about how they would combine their seniority lists.

Here is his answer at the conference.

“Yeah. It’s ironic but the solution to that issue at US Airways I think it’s probably because we’re able to get this deal done. The area that people focus on the most is USAPA, our pilots’ union. In this case there is a huge benefit for our pilots in getting the deal done. They can go to the new contract at American, which is a very large pay raise for the US Airways pilots. So as I fly around the system, as I talk to the union leadership at USAPA, they want the deal to happen and they want us to get it done and they are working cooperatively with us and with APA to get the deal done.

“As to the seniority integration issue, I think this is the way out of the box for them. For those of you that follow the industry, there has been this seniority fight between the former US Airways and the former America West pilots. And as long as that seniority dispute is happening and isn’t resolved by a court, they really can’t negotiate a single agreement with the company because they can’t agree on what’s going to happen with seniority. And they are waiting for a court to answer that question for them.

“This is a way to start over and — not start over completely, but at least have a fresh beginning. Today, you know what, the analogy I use is that they painted themselves into a corner into a room, and neither side can compromise. This is a way to start the process over in a new integration.

“There is also federal legislation, the McCaskill-Bond legislation, which will mandate binding arbitration. So the plan in this case is that our union and APA combined will have a joint contract, and we will have that hopefully on the day we close the merger, assuming we do.

“That contract will be in place and so there will be a joint contract in place. And then more than likely the seniority issue will go through a process and ultimately get to arbitration. But because we will already have a joint contract in place, that arbitration will be binding. It will just get implemented.

“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.

“And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened.
 
nevergiveup said:
So if two of the three parties want the Nic, then those parties are correct an arbitrators are bound and required to use it. I didn't realized that.
Yes, it is that simple. All one has to do is argue the point, and their wish is granted.
My point is then, why the $675.00 ties if all they had to do was ask?
 
Claxon said:
Yes, it is that simple. All one has to do is argue the point, and their wish is granted.
My point is then, why the $675.00 ties if all they had to do was ask?

Just think of all the money these guys have taken away from their families, vacation, college......and all for what, like I said many years ago you will wind up right where your seniority should have put you in the beginning.........I would bet the BOA knows how screwed up the NIC was.



AOL destroyed the careers of the AWA pilots........Greed.....plain and simple, and what to they have to show for it now.......stuck in the fishbowl. No they are mouthing off the the APA.....well keep on alienating yourselves boys.



And would someone please update us on CB53's condition.
 
Freighterguynow said:
Banned from multiple websites.
He is lying away at C&R.
Fortunately the LAA pilots are on to the west agenda. They jumpseat enough on those burned out awa hulls to see what the west brings to the merger.
ECAM ACTION is part of any normal operation on them.
 
Claxon said:
He is lying away at C&R.
Fortunately the LAA pilots are on to the west agenda. They jumpseat enough on those burned out awa hulls to see what the west brings to the merger.
ECAM ACTION is part of any normal operation on them.
Well, he's has earned the reputation on the most desperate liar on the board.



It's not lying if you believe it......,,,,,
 
Why do west pilots continue to quote that the US Airways MEC stuck with their DOH position too long?  They claimed that nic threw a penalty flat for such.
 
The west pilot have stuck with their nic or nothing policy for nine unaccomplished years.
 
 
 
The MB BOA SLI arbitrators note the hippocratic situation.  
 
 
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Claxon said:
Why do west pilots continue to quote that the US Airways MEC stuck with their DOH position too long?  They claimed that nic threw a penalty flat for such.
 
The west pilot have stuck with their nic or nothing policy for nine unaccomplished years.
 
 
 
The MB BOA SLI arbitrators note the hippocratic situation.  
 
 
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So as I return here just to see what's "changed" I still see it remains the same.

BLAME!

The APA complains about being duped.
https://www.alliedpilots.org/News/ID/4143/strong-stylecolorredMr-Parker-We-need-concrete-actionstrong

The ones who SINGLE-HANDEDLY negotiated a contract WITHOUT OUR PARTICIPATION.

Voted in overwhelmingly by the West contingent JUST TO GET BACK AT USAPA/ EAST pilots. Who COMPLAIN that the APA is AGAIN the "tyranny of the majority".

And we VOTED in a JCBA where the Company gave us incentive money (if you will for lack of a better term) because if we turned it down we'd STILL be stuck with a LOT LESS MONEY that the APA AND THE WEST CONTINGENT wanted to stick it to the East.

And I JUST FOUND OUT that the Company won't get single FOS implemented as planned for the fall. JUST FOUND IT OUT!

Read the STUPID RANT by the APA and the West (who, btw thinks EVERYONE is trying to screw them and nobody is listening to them which is probably why DS needs a MAJOR vacation after his web board meltdowns) and answer me THESE THREE questions:

Where are we NOW with this contract, what will CHANGE in the contract in the next four years (2020) and what will be able to get in the NEW contract after that?

I can predict ONE thing.....no matter WHAT way this SLI goes, I'm not jerking the gear for APA/WEST guys. No SOP in seniority means no SOP in unity. PERIOD.
 
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And I JUST FOUND OUT that the Company won't get single FOS implemented as planned for the fall. JUST FOUND IT OUT!

 
 
If that is indeed true, then (as pointed out in the PHL conference call Town Hall meeting last week) the company will not attempt to implement a single FOS until Feb 2017 to avoid a holiday-season meltdown.
 
That means also no PBS for LAA and LUS East until next year.
 
And at least another 5 months in the desert fishbowl.  
 
That characterization seems a bit wrong.  Shouldn't it be the desert terrarium?  Full of hot air, snakes, scorpions, etc.
 
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