2015 Pilot Discussion.

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And WHOM do you think the West will blame THEN????  (crickets chirping....)

 

[luvthe9]

So as I return here just to see what's "changed" I still see it remains the same.
BLAME!
The APA complains about being duped.
https://www.alliedpilots.org/News/ID/4143/strong-stylecolorredMr-Parker-We-need-concrete-actionstrong
The ones who SINGLE-HANDEDLY negotiated a contract WITHOUT OUR PARTICIPATION.
Voted in overwhelmingly by the West contingent JUST TO GET BACK AT USAPA/ EAST pilots. Who COMPLAIN that the APA is AGAIN the "tyranny of the majority".
And we VOTED in a JCBA where the Company gave us incentive money (if you will for lack of a better term) because if we turned it down we'd STILL be stuck with a LOT LESS MONEY that the APA AND THE WEST CONTINGENT wanted to stick it to the East.
And I JUST FOUND OUT that the Company won't get single FOS implemented as planned for the fall. JUST FOUND IT OUT!
Read the STUPID RANT by the APA and the West (who, btw thinks EVERYONE is trying to screw them and nobody is listening to them which is probably why DS needs a MAJOR vacation after his web board meltdowns) and answer me THESE THREE questions:
Where are we NOW with this contract, what will CHANGE in the contract in the next four years (2020) and what will be able to get in the NEW contract after that?
I can predict ONE thing.....no matter WHAT way this SLI goes, I'm not jerking the gear for APA/WEST guys. No SOP in seniority means no SOP in unity. PERIOD.

Absolutely.........well said!

 

[Phoenix]

So some of the IT circus animals are still in training? The show is delayed? I'm shocked.

 

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Yeah. Like novel......RIGHT???

 

[EastUS1]

So some of the IT circus animals are still in training? The show is delayed? I'm shocked.

 
Indeed. Who would've ever thought it possible?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

 

[EastUS1]

So as I return here just to see what's "changed" I still see it remains the same.

BLAME!

The APA complains about being duped.
https://www.alliedpilots.org/News/ID/4143/strong-stylecolorredMr-Parker-We-need-concrete-actionstrong

The ones who SINGLE-HANDEDLY negotiated a contract WITHOUT OUR PARTICIPATION.

Voted in overwhelmingly by the West contingent JUST TO GET BACK AT USAPA/ EAST pilots. Who COMPLAIN that the APA is AGAIN the "tyranny of the majority".

 
Yeah...Ya' really just couldn't even begin to make this stuff up, no matter how hard anyone tried. Oh well, all part of the "Divine Comedy" I suppose.

 

[EastUS1]

Dear Phoenix Pilots,
There were a couple of developments this week of critical importance to the PHX-based pilots of New American. Both of these developments relate to decisions by the company, and one was the result of a decision by the APA BOD which your PHX-reps were unable to stop in spite of our best efforts. In short, we feel as though we were railroaded by the majority, even being prevented from getting our opinion on record thanks to repeated efforts by the vast majority of the BOD who had already made up their minds and would not allow us to be heard. We were used to this sort of governance at USAPA but must point out that it is beginning to happen with greater frequency at APA. The good news is that, whether the vote is 11 to 3 (the usual at USAPA) or 20 to 2 at APA, the majority cannot simply extinguish our rights under the law with a vote. If that were so, we would have been done for long ago.
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Of course this is anything but fair or proper and your PHX representatives ...... to apply 17.E retroactively, will result in the PHX pilots yet again being subjected to the tyranny of the majority, only this time at the hands of a new union and with the ongoing approval of the company. The company and APA are pretending to be deaf, dumb and blind to the factual history of abuses we have suffered. APA appears to pretend that it didn't inherit our longstanding dispute and litigation history with the East, and the BOD has convinced itself that it didn't. .....This was so important that they were willing to waive back pay provisions in order to keep these gains.
By now, this should not come as a surprise to anyone in PHX. Evidence is everywhere that APA never had any intention of representing West pilots fairly and simply intended to make the former AWA pilots the New TWA by way of another staple job, which was plainly illustrated by the AAPSIC's initial proposal....
This is not surprising in light of APA's solicitation of West pilot support right after the merger on the simple platform that APA is not USAPA, and nothing more. ....... That is, the APA assisted the East in being able to argue before the SLI panel a seniority proposal the federal court of appeals said would be illegal and unfair to the West pilots..
It's not just the APA that wants to pretend the past decade has no effect on the present, as if a simple reset was accomplished with the AA merger that wiped clean the slate of history and abuse embodied in the public record of litigation. ........The Wests legitimate interest in these positions is deliberately ignored, even by management.
 
If the East stole the Wests wallet, it is the company that is allowing the East to keep that wallet, while the APA eagerly assists in making sure there is nothing missing from the wallet, notwithstanding the fact that the East was found guilty in Federal Court of stealing the wallet. The company, with the assistance of the APA, is doing everything in its power to ensure the West doesn't get our wallet back (or that it will be empty if we ever do get it back)...... Likewise, don't hesitate to convey your dissatisfaction to management as well, because clearly our unique situation (and how that situation came about) has yet to be given sufficient thought or reflection. Rather than quitting, actively join us in continuing, and even intensifying the fight. We know you are near the end of your rope, but the end of our fight is near and we still anticipate a positive outcome despite our many adversaries. Let us finish strong together, even if we find ourselves alone today.

 
In all fairness...I did caution them against their fantasies of expecting any "heroic" monuments to PHX/"Sparta" ever being commissioned in any legacy American domiciles.
 
"Likewise, don't hesitate to convey your dissatisfaction to management as well, because clearly our unique situation..." Sadly...Not so "unique" as might be imagined for "you'se" umm..."spartans": https://www.google.com/search?q=zippy+the+pinhead+pictures&sa=X&biw=2560&bih=1331&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ved=0ahUKEwi809Sk7bnLAhWF_R4KHQ8GBbkQsAQIGw#imgrc=jbb0A-qOuHQqTM%3A
 
"By now, this should not come as a surprise to anyone in PHX."

 

[Claxon]

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And I JUST FOUND OUT that the Company won't get single FOS implemented as planned for the fall. JUST FOUND IT OUT!
 
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Of the three pilot groups (Legacy American, Legacy US Airways, Legacy america west), guess who is disappointed they are stuck with what they brought to the merger?

 

[EastUS1]

Of the three pilot groups (Legacy American, Legacy US Airways, Legacy america west), guess who is disappointed they are stuck with what they brought to the merger?

 
You certainly can't mean the PHX/"spartan" clan, who've long-fantasized that their individually noble efforts somehow "saved" anyone from the affects of corporately contrived, faux "bankruptcies" on a massive level....Right?  Any time my thoughts go towards PHX "pilots", the term "Useful Idiots" always comes to mind (as the kindest possible thought)....It's a sure bet that precious few, if any of them, ever obtained any educational credentials in even an undergrad "Business School".....The "Tricks" available to corporations in recent decades weren't even the least bit legal in earlier times....Oh well..."Seniority" in earlier times, traditionally meant how long a person had worked, so I guess if they're eager to throw all that aside, well, then FK 'em if they can't take a "joke" within the Rules of Engagement of their "Brave New World".  They openly sought and showed complete contempt for their "Brothers and Sisters" within the very same class and craft....OK then...and It's fair to note that "class" was offered in kindness only.
 
What's perhaps most amusing is that the "spartans" actually expected the proven-slime-balls at American, who so proudly trod the TWA folks underfoot and gave the industry it's first "B" scale wages as well, to somehow worship the pathetic little fools in PHX. Umm..What IS the frequency of drug testing out in PHX anyway?

 

[Claxon]

I will be loved and revered there also!
 
You really think the LAA guys care what USAPA zealots like you think? 

traderjake is for relative seniority.
 
His reasoning for this is because his dad, a pilot for Piedmont Airlines, was his relative and put him in front of thousands of applicants for pilot jobs during the time he was hired.

 

[EastUS1]

traderjake is for relative seniority.
 
His reasoning for this is because his dad, a pilot for Piedmont Airlines, was his relative and put him in front of thousands of applicants for pilot jobs during the time he was hired.

 
Recalling his innumerable postings about "Honor"; I suggest you exercise due caution there, lest you gain "LT Hardy" from purely movie/Fantasyland's ire.
 
Some people are born with even serious disabilities, and yet find ways to overcome them, through whatever agonizing effort it takes to properly advance themselves. Some don't ever advance in any such fashion, even without any pronounced problems. Quite obviously;  some are "gifted" with the "ability" to personally do essentially NOTHING in life. Those last simply ask "Daddy" to get them a job....Period.
 
P.S. The whole bottom line for the east/west scenario is that west got their childishly arrogant azzes completely kicked. All they have left is high hopes that the current arbitrators will somehow think them simply adorable and truly "special"...as they've always imagined their own sorry sorts to be...and don't immediately laugh at that, since they've always been fully serious about just how "special" they apparently, "really are." What will emerge from the BOA's listings is anyone's guess, but I've some slight suspicion it won't much overly favor the tiny "Fishbowl" of PHX. I could be wrong. We'll all just have to wait and see.

 

[EastUS1]

What's perhaps most amusing is that the "spartans" actually expected the proven-slime-balls at American, who so proudly trod the TWA folks underfoot and gave the industry it's first "B" scale wages as well, to somehow worship the pathetic little fools in PHX. Umm..What IS the frequency of drug testing out in PHX anyway?

 
P.S. Umm...My obvious error there, since the PHX crowd expecting sympathy, support and full understanding from "proven slime balls" is at least somewhat understandable.

 

[nic4us]

Of the three pilot groups (Legacy American, Legacy US Airways, Legacy america west), guess who is disappointed they are stuck with what they brought to the merger?

 
Well obviously it is the West.....We brought the east to this merger, after having been stuck with their scab union for 9 years.

 

[nic4us]

So as I return here just to see what's "changed" I still see it remains the same.

BLAME!

The APA complains about being duped.
https://www.alliedpilots.org/News/ID/4143/strong-stylecolorredMr-Parker-We-need-concrete-actionstrong

The ones who SINGLE-HANDEDLY negotiated a contract WITHOUT OUR PARTICIPATION.

Voted in overwhelmingly by the West contingent JUST TO GET BACK AT USAPA/ EAST pilots. Who COMPLAIN that the APA is AGAIN the "tyranny of the majority".

And we VOTED in a JCBA where the Company gave us incentive money (if you will for lack of a better term) because if we turned it down we'd STILL be stuck with a LOT LESS MONEY that the APA AND THE WEST CONTINGENT wanted to stick it to the East.

And I JUST FOUND OUT that the Company won't get single FOS implemented as planned for the fall. JUST FOUND IT OUT!

Read the STUPID RANT by the APA and the West (who, btw thinks EVERYONE is trying to screw them and nobody is listening to them which is probably why DS needs a MAJOR vacation after his web board meltdowns) and answer me THESE THREE questions:

Where are we NOW with this contract, what will CHANGE in the contract in the next four years (2020) and what will be able to get in the NEW contract after that?

I can predict ONE thing.....no matter WHAT way this SLI goes, I'm not jerking the gear for APA/WEST guys. No SOP in seniority means no SOP in unity. PERIOD.

 
You will do as you are told, fly where told, and "jerk gear" for who you are told.
 
How soon we forget that a scab union brought you the lowest career expectation of the three groups.  

 

[luvthe9]

You will do as you are told, fly where told, and "jerk gear" for who you are told.
 
How soon we forget that a scab union brought you the lowest career expectation of the three groups.

Grow up junior, you bring nothing and should be glad you're along for the ride.



AWA ......the last place any pilot wanted to work, real shame Project Zanzibar was not used.



Always remember YOU have the scab heritage!