2015 Pilot Discussion.

[nic4us]

 
EWR-based A320 pilots?  Pray you don't get tagged for a random drug screen.
 
$1/2 million?  At best, America's Worst Airline captains made $145K while US narrow-body captains were making $120K during LOA 93 wages.   Over the ten years that the scenario existed, that  would be a $1/4 million differential....at best.  After taxes, considerably less.

A fair percentage of US captains during this period were flying the B757/B767 and making $149K.  The US A330 captains were making $163.
 
The sun has cooked your feeble brain, nixed4us.

 
I meant LGA base but blew it on that one......
 
If the best an AWA 320 CA made was $145, I must have been something special, because as a mediocre seniority lineholder I made on average about $165 (not counting company 401k contributions) during the 9 years of scab union repression.  
 
So, I made about $45k/yr more than my east counterpart, and thanks for letting me know what I always suspected, I made on par with the us 330 CAs and MORE than the 767 CAs.  Oh, and I did it with 170 more days of vacation.
 
You guys really screwed yourselves, and all of us by degrading our career expectations vs. the nAAtives.

 

[nic4us]

All good points, the more senior west pilots lost big time as they could have been in our wide body's not to mention all the growth, I think a lot of west F/Os missed great opportunities to upgrade also. It's a pity they fell for the NIC or nothing scam.

 
What is a pity is you fell for the scab union plan and LOA93 for an extra decade.
 
An entire decade as the lowest paid pilots in the industry, even far below your counterparts out West in the same status.
 
 
Did you look up what reinstatement rights get you vs. displacement rights?  Remember Seat..Domicile..Equipment!!

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
I I made on average about $165 

 
Bull S**t!  Show us your gutter contract with that rate.

 

[Claxon]

 
What is a pity is you fell for the scab union plan and LOA93 for an extra decade.
 
An entire decade as the lowest paid pilots in the industry, even far below your counterparts out West in the same status.
 
 
Did you look up what reinstatement rights get you vs. displacement rights?  Remember Seat..Domicile..Equipment!!

It was only seven years scab. You were given, by scab laden alpa, a 10 percent DC contribution and profit sharing that the East pilot had right before the nic three ring circus.  Do the math scab. 
 
In addition to this, when USAPA was trying to leverage, your west pilots noses were in doug's southern hemispherical portion of his body.
 
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm

 

[Claxon]

 
What is a pity is you fell for the scab union plan and LOA93 for an extra decade.
 
An entire decade as the lowest paid pilots in the industry, even far below your counterparts out West in the same status.
 
 
Did you look up what reinstatement rights get you vs. displacement rights?  Remember Seat..Domicile..Equipment!!

Question scab? The america west pilots allowed themselves to fly 100 per month, East were 85 and legacy american airline pilots were upper 70's in max hours per month.
 
Scab?  How many west pilots were furloughed by your I've got mine, 100 hours attitude? 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm

 

[Claxon]

This always reminds me of the quote, "I am from Missouri, show me."
 
I will.
 
Lets take for example, west pilot cactusboy's inability to fly on a wide body or Captains position for 10 years.
 
500 thousand loss in a decade at least.  Add contributions to the army of lyingitas for ten years, 20 thousand.  Rico defense, 4000.  aol ties 1350. 
 
Yea, I guess you really taught the East pilots a lesson,   not!!!!!!
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm

 

[cactusboy53]

Oooh. Claxy's gonna explode. I don't think he'll make it to June.

 

[nic4us]

 
Bull S**t!  Show us your gutter contract with that rate.

 
"Gutter contract" ???
 
You are talking about the contract that was soo superior to LOA93 our narrow body CAs made what your wide body CAs made?
 
You have been on this board long enough...you saw a West pilot post his W2 showing $172k or was it $178k if forget?
 
I figure that was a 757 CA who had the international override...or just $8 more an hour than all the other West CAs.
 
 
Again..you blew it!!  $1/2 million or more that you will not have come 7-26, $1/2 million per retiree who has already left, and a huge loss for all LCC pilots in income and status when compared to the nAAtives.

 

[nic4us]

It was only seven years scab. You were given, by scab laden alpa, a 10 percent DC contribution and profit sharing that the East pilot had right before the nic three ring circus.  Do the math scab. 
 
In addition to this, when USAPA was trying to leverage, your west pilots noses were in doug's southern hemispherical portion of his body.
 
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm

 
Done the math...you lost big due to the scab union's impotence...end of story.
 
Oh, and what was the scab union gonna use for "leverage"?   You already told the company you would work on LOA93 in perpetuity in exchange for separate ops, and you were happy to do so and turned down a 30% raise to capture 95% of the growth instead of just 70%.
 
I guess I should reiterate that the West lost big also due to the scab union, we just made way more in the interim than the east.

 

[luvthe9]

This always reminds me of the quote, "I am from Missouri, show me."
 
I will.
 
Lets take for example, west pilot cactusboy's inability to fly on a wide body or Captains position for 10 years.
 
500 thousand loss in a decade at least.  Add contributions to the army of lyingitas for ten years, 20 thousand.  Rico defense, 4000.  aol ties 1350. 
 
Yea, I guess you really taught the East pilots a lesson,   not!!!!!!
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm

Not to mention the shame of working for airline with a scab reputation

 

[EastUS1]

He likely meant LGA, but you weren't smart enough to figure that out...huh, Dorothy-Boy? Idiot.

 
Umm...or was he simply not "smart enough" to know/tell the difference?..."Dorothy-Boy? Idiot."...?
 
"He likely meant LGA" OK. Perhaps all should generously consider what "you'se" sorts "likely meant" whenever you're posting the usual nonsense?

 

[EastUS1]

 
Done the math...

 
Um hmm....Using "Common Core" methods, one must assume?...Or perhaps the same, finely-honed-mental "skills" that hamper ready differentiation between EWR vs LGA?  "Well, umm...folks; this is your 'captain' speaking. I 'likely meant' to land in LGA, but here we are in Newark NJ instead...Sorry 'bout 'dat dudes!"
 
Thanks again to "spartans" for providing the usual chuckles here.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
"Gutter contract" ???
 
You are talking about the contract that was soo superior to LOA93 our narrow body CAs made what your wide body CAs made?
 
You have been on this board long enough...you saw a West pilot post his W2 showing $172k or was it $178k if forget?
 
I figure that was a 757 CA who had the international override...or just $8 more an hour than all the other West CAs.
 
 
Again..you blew it!!  $1/2 million or more that you will not have come 7-26, $1/2 million per retiree who has already left, and a huge loss for all LCC pilots in income and status when compared to the nAAtives.

 
Even if it was $178K, it still doesn't add up to $1/2 million.  (And my bet is that it was an outlier by some greedy sleazebag..you maybe?...who worked the system to his advantage.)
 
Your gutter contract was in place from 1983 until 2014.  US Air(ways) pilot made $Millions more than you weak-dicks who couldn't even negotiate any sort of pension.  While you had 20 year pilots ageing out with nothing but Social Security, we had captains leaving with $1 million+ lump sums.  9-11 changed that, of course, and your gutter contract was the target our sleazy management aimed at for us.  Why yours?  It was obvious to everyone in the industry that yours was the bottom of the garbage heap.  
 
So, we endured LOA 93 for about 10 years while you had already endured much worse for the previous 20.  We lost our DB pension to the PBGC, but we will still collect from them, while you get NOTHING.  We have had company 401K contributions for decades before you lucked into a merger with USAirways and the union managed to get that for you.  So you have had 401K company contributions for only a bit over 10 years, thanks to the USAirways pilots MEC.

History cannot change the fact that, in every respect, the US pilots have been overall head-and-shoulders above you desert snakes in the way of compensation.  The numbers taken over the span of a career don't lie.   In 1984, when I took on the left seat of a 737, I was making $120K.  Please go back and show us your gutter contract from 1984....if you even had the balls to have negotiated a contract that quickly.  Your captains probably pulled down all of $80K working to FARs that year, and even after you voted in the fake union, ALPA, you still couldn't come close to USAirways pay rates until after 9-11 changed the whole game.  If you take such great pleasure in having those measly 10 years of pay rates above our narrow-body pilots, you have the 9-11 terrorists to thank for that.  
 
So tell us, are you thankful for the 9-11 terrorists for getting you a few years worth of bragging rights?  Maybe you should design a new tie with the burning Twin Towers on it as testament to your gratitude.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Even if it was $178K, it still doesn't add up to $1/2 million.  (And my bet is that it was an outlier by some greedy sleazebag..you maybe?...who worked the system to his advantage.)
 
Your gutter contract was in place from 1983 until 2014.  US Air(ways) pilot made $Millions more than you weak-dicks who couldn't even negotiate any sort of pension.  While you had 20 year pilots ageing out with nothing but Social Security, we had captains leaving with $1 million+ lump sums.  9-11 changed that, of course, and your gutter contract was the target our sleazy management aimed at for us.  Why yours?  It was obvious to everyone in the industry that yours was the bottom of the garbage heap.  
 
So, we endured LOA 93 for about 10 years while you had already endured much worse for the previous 20. .....
 
Your captains probably pulled down all of $80K working to FARs that year, and even after you voted in the fake union, ALPA, you still couldn't come close to USAirways pay rates until after 9-11 changed the whole game.  If you take such great pleasure in having those measly 10 years of pay rates above our narrow-body pilots, you have the 9-11 terrorists to thank for that.  
 
So tell us, are you thankful for the 9-11 terrorists for getting you a few years worth of bragging rights?  Maybe you should design a new tie with the burning Twin Towers on it as testament to your gratitude.

 
Perfectly put nyc, and "Maybe you should design a new tie with the burning Twin Towers on it as testament to your gratitude." is certainly appropriate, but a wasted effort at enlightenment. nic4us: "If the best an AWA 320 CA made was $145, I must have been something special," One must first accept the full extent of their "I must have been something special" delusions to even bother any further with them.

 

[luvthe9]

Absolutely luv the update letter to the west pilots, wow, such desperation. They are at the end of their rope, the whole world is against them including the APA.........hey flounder was this your work?..........priceless just priceless. LMAO....

"Both of these developments relate to decisions by the company, and one was the result of a decision by the APA BOD which your PHX-reps were unable to stop in spite of our best efforts. In short, we feel as though we were railroaded by the majority, "




"We know you are as outraged as we are about the company extending JCBA 17.E reinstatement rights for LUS East pilots. The net result will be that pilots who have captured positions only as a result of USAPA's long and illegal efforts to prevent implementation of the Nicolau Award will be able to keep them longer still."



"But as Wednesday's BOD meeting results prove, APA's acceptance of the company's offer (not surprisingly made by a long-time former US Airways manager, Beth Holdren) to apply 17.E retroactively, will result in the PHX pilots yet again being subjected to the tyranny of the majority, only this time at the hands of a new union and with the ongoing approval of the company"


"By now, this should not come as a surprise to anyone in PHX. Evidence is everywhere that APA never had any intention of representing West pilots fairly and simply intended to make the former AWA pilots the New TWA by way of another staple job, which was plainly illustrated by the AAPSIC's initial proposal from June"





THIS IS THE BEST LINE..........HOW BOUT IF THE WEST STOLE OUR IDENTITIES...


"The Wests legitimate interest in these positions is deliberately ignored, even by management. If the East stole the Wests wallet, it is the company that is allowing the East to keep that wallet, while the APA eagerly assists in making sure there is nothing missing from the wallet, "