2015 Pilot Discussion.

[cactusboy53]

Will the Former PHX rep, please explain why if that action was solely managements decision- why, after MILLIONS spent, is the Nicolau List NOT used on any bid put out by the company, past or present? He cannot. The talk is false and cheap. The ties? Not so much......

Simple. $125/hr + 1/2 DH + Zero cancel/many (? Sorry, I don't know every facet of your awesome LOA93 that you insisted on staying with) = the logical business decision while espousing "we just want to remain neutral".

Brilliant! !

Want me draw you a picture, Skippy?

 

[cactusboy53]

Perhaps you also heard there are former USAir pilots out West.  Nicolau saw that their AWA employed position had a much greater career earnings expectation than their furloughed USAir position and made their AWA number senior to their furloughed (likely never to be recalled) position.
 
Then a scab union came along and screwed them and all LCC pilots out of hundreds of thousands of dollars each.
 
I see them regularly wearing $675 ties.

A post so NICE, you got to see it TWICE!!!!

 

[EastUS1]

 
....... their furloughed USAir position and made their AWA number senior to their furloughed (likely never to be recalled) position.

I see them regularly wearing $675 ties.

 
"(likely never to be recalled) position."...?  So, how did that supposedly "likely" part actually work out? Per "I see them regularly wearing $675 ties." No surprise, since they clearly weren't the brightest bulbs in the box to begin with. What's "you'se" point?
 
"Nicolau saw that their AWA employed position had a much greater career earnings expectation than their furloughed USAir position" Hmm...Perhaps you're intended point was to illustrate just how completely ridiculous Nic's assumptions proved to be?
 
"You'se" kids with all your "expectations" are always good for a chuckle.

 

[cactusboy53]

"(likely never to be recalled) position."...?  So, how did that supposedly "likely" part actually work out? Per "I see them regularly wearing $675 ties." No surprise, since they clearly weren't the brightest bulbs in the box to begin with. What's "you'se" point?
 
"Nicolau saw that their AWA employed position had a much greater career earnings expectation than their furloughed USAir position" Hmm...Perhaps you're intended point was to illustrate just how completely ridiculous Nic's assumptions proved to be?
 
"You'se" kids with all your "expectations" are always good for a chuckle.

Don't "you'se" have stone to pass? WYE don't you take a powder, Gramps?

 

[Phoenix]

Yes, there are about 25 ex-TWAers (Letter T pilots) still at America West.  The ALPA DFR lawsuit payout followed a modified bell curve where the minimum payout was $200 and the maximum was $32,000.

How many of those 25 received $32,000?

If we assume all 25 received $32,000... = $800,000
And if they all are willing to donate it all for Liberty Tie consolation prizes.. $800,000/$675 = 1,185 ties..

Then you still need USAPA money to buy a tie for everyone. Maybe the lawyers will have mercy and leave a little at the end to help the TWA guys reimburse everyone for their tie.

 

[Claxon]

Perhaps you also heard there are former USAir pilots out West.  Nicolau saw that their AWA employed position had a much greater career earnings expectation than their furloughed USAir position and made their AWA number senior to their furloughed (likely never to be recalled) position.
 
Then a scab union came along and screwed them and all LCC pilots out of hundreds of thousands of dollars each.
 
I see them regularly wearing $675 ties.

Says the pilot who went to a job with the lowest pay, no pension and then got profit sharing from another pilot group. Then same pilot voted to give up profit sharing and 15+ hr red eyes.
Nice.

 

[FL430]

Perhaps you also heard there are former USAir pilots out West.  Nicolau saw that their AWA employed position had a much greater career earnings expectation than their furloughed USAir position and made their AWA number senior to their furloughed (likely never to be recalled) position.
 
Then a scab union came along and screwed them and all LCC pilots out of hundreds of thousands of dollars each.
 
I see them regularly wearing $675 ties.

Well there are AWA guys flying on the east that obviously like it better here. I see them regularly not wearing the $675 dollar ties. I guess you didn't consider the flip side. But then again why change your line of thinking, it's served you well so far hasn't it? See you later flounder

 

[Black Swan]

Well there are AWA guys flying on the east that obviously like it better here. I see them regularly not wearing the $675 dollar ties. I guess you didn't consider the flip side. But then again why change your line of thinking, it's served you well so far hasn't it? See you later flounder

Yes they are here. And all on the 330. I have flown with some of them. They out earn every single West F/O and many 320 Capts out in PHX. Probably out earn and go to many more interesting destinations than every single West pilot on this board.
No weird ties either. Ever.

 

[EastUS1]

Don't "you'se" have stone to pass? WYE don't you take a powder, Gramps?

 
Be gentle with my poor aged self. It's honestly not my fault that "you'se" have no ability to form any cogent response to much of anything. Perhaps you had best stick with proclaiming childish fantasies of "INTEGRITY" and shouts of how "This is Sparta!"
Per Gramps? Well...the flying wager's been open for 9 years now. Please feel perfectly free to show literally the whole world just what "you'se" have personally "got" to offer?....No?
 
Best just stick to "you'se" childish fantasies/ties and T-shirts kid...Or actually show us all something for a change....?
 
Thanks, yet again, for the always dependable laughs.
 
P.S. While it speaks nobly of your vaunted "INTEGRITY" and clearly fine "qualities" as a person to wish a kidney stone on another human being; should we just take that along with "So, if"...? Yet another day for "you'se" in the land of "if" and "It is our hope (once again)"...?

 

[Claxon]

 
Be gentle with my poor aged self. It's honestly not my fault that "you'se" have no ability to form any cogent response to much of anything. Perhaps you had best stick with proclaiming childish fantasies of "INTEGRITY" and shouts of how "This is Sparta!"
Per Gramps? Well...the flying wager's been open for 9 years now. Please feel perfectly free to show literally the whole world just what "you'se" have personally  "got" to offer?....No?
 
Best just stick to "you'se" childish fantasies/ties and T-shirts kid.

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[EastUS1]

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Rut Roh....I'd thought ourselves only set against "spartans"/"battle"-tested-"knights" and "dire wolves"....If they're now imagining themselves Martians (which would in no way surprise at all anymore) well...that's different, and possibly far more "serious." "Heroically" T-shirted "dire wolves" was bad enough, but sheesh!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U

 

[EastUS1]

Yes they are here. And all on the 330. I have flown with some of them. They out earn every single West F/O and many 320 Capts out in PHX. Probably out earn and go to many more interesting destinations than every single West pilot on this board.
No weird ties either. Ever.

 
To borrow from the late, but forever great Robin Williams: "Reality....What a Concept!"

 

[cactusboy53]

Says the pilot who went to a job with the lowest pay, no pension and then got profit sharing from another pilot group. Then same pilot voted to give up profit sharing and 15+ hr red eyes.
Nice.

 
Quips the pilot that chose to stay on BANKRUPTCY WAGES purposefully in the ill-fated DOH chase.  The VERY lowest pay, reduced to ZERO deadhead/mechanical/cancel pay, and CRAPPY work rules.  Do you need us to draw you a picture, Skippy?

 

[EastUS1]

 
.....Do you need us to draw you a picture, Skippy?

 
Have "you'se" a sufficient supply of Crayolas to even make the attempt?
 
Here's a thought; try using the english language to make whatever "argument" you imagine yourself to have to offer instead. While any such effort on "you'se" part would likely prove fully laughable; at least it'd be a bit less boring for us all.
 

 

[cactusboy53]

THE TIES!!  THE $675 TIES!!  THE TIES!!!!!​

Will the Former PHX rep, please explain why if that action was solely managements decision- why, after MILLIONS spent, is the Nicolau List NOT used on any bid put out by the company, past or present? He cannot. The talk is false and cheap. The ties? Not so much......

 
 

If you ever actually get all your dues returned plus $675 then you can claim "Scotty," or any other fictitious internet friend, bought you the most gaudy of all consolation prizes. Good luck!!

 
 

I heard there are some former TWA pilots out West.. And I heard that the ALPA lawsuit netted them $100... Soooo, they only have to win $575 from USAPA to break even on their tie!!

"If"! Good luck!!

 
 

How many of those 25 received $32,000?

If we assume all 25 received $32,000... = $800,000
And if they all are willing to donate it all for Liberty Tie consolation prizes.. $800,000/$675 = 1,185 ties..

Then you still need USAPA money to buy a tie for everyone. Maybe the lawyers will have mercy and leave a little at the end to help the TWA guys reimburse everyone for their tie.

 
 

Well there are AWA guys flying on the east that obviously like it better here. I see them regularly not wearing the $675 dollar ties. I guess you didn't consider the flip side. But then again why change your line of thinking, it's served you well so far hasn't it? See you later flounder

 
 

Yes they are here. And all on the 330. I have flown with some of them. They out earn every single West F/O and many 320 Capts out in PHX. Probably out earn and go to many more interesting destinations than every single West pilot on this board.
No weird ties either. Ever.

 
HO-LEE-COW.  You boys sure have your panties in a twist over our BEAUTIFUL ties.  It's funny that such a patriotic accessory can muster up so much angst.  You boys started this, thus FORCING us to DEFEND ourselves.  Freedom's not FREE, and neither is JUSTICE.  This is why we as a group had to CONTRIBUTE to our defense.  Did everyone contribute?  Pretty much, yes.  Did everyone contribute equally?  No.  Don't you worry your pretty little heads over it, it's not your concern:  WE HAVE/HAD ENOUGH TO MORE THAN COVER OUR FEES & COSTS.
 
Now, the courts will determine if we get any of those funds returned. 
 
Today's term is DUTY OF FAIR REPRESENTATION.
 
The duty of fair representation is incumbent upon U.S. labor unions that are the exclusive bargaining representative of workers in a particular group. It is the obligation to represent all employees fairly, in good faith, and without discrimination. Originally recognized by the United States Supreme Court in a series of cases in the mid-1940s involving racial discrimination by railway workers' unions covered by the Railway Labor Act, the duty of fair representation also applies to workers covered by the National Labor Relations Act and, depending on the terms of the statute, to public sector workers covered by state and local laws regulating labor relations.
 
[SIZE=12pt]US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit                                                                       26 June 2015[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]“…USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots’ exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation.  USAPA’s manifest disregard for the interests of the West Pilots and its discriminatory conduct towards them constitutes a clear breach of duty.  Accordingly, we reverse the district court’s conclusion that USAPA did not breach its duty of fair representation, and remand with instructions to enjoin USAPA from participating in the McCaskill-Bond proceedings except to the extent that USAPA will advocate the Nicolau Award..”[/SIZE]