2015 Pilot Discussion.

[jcw]

The question is is there anything that could make both sides happy?

 

[Hope777]

The question is is there anything that could make both sides happy?

NO !  One side will need to give a little and I doubt either side is willing to do that

 

[nycbusdriver]

The question is is there anything that could make both sides happy?

 
Yes.  If the company had, at the Board's last-ditch request,  simply added the long-rate/ calendar day rig, the Board would have approved the proposal on January 3 without membership ratification.  
 
Oddly, none of the other items that some Board members now find so onerous were not that big a deal on January 3.

 

[luvthe9]

 
 


 

 

 

 

[CactusPilot1]

Drawing a blank? I'd say that's an improvement.

 

[luvthe9]

Good numbers............   http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/american-airlines-tops-street-4q-forecasts-28509822

 

[snapthis]

Good numbers............   http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/american-airlines-tops-street-4q-forecasts-28509822

 
Yes they are...American Airlines Group Inc. said Tuesday that fourth-quarter net income was $597 million, reversing a $2 billion loss a year earlier.
 
Jan 26th - Phoenix JCBA Vote update summary:
 
[SIZE=large]American Airlines Group will announce its full-year 2014 results tomorrow morning, Jan. 27. We hope the airline's financial performance exceeds even the most optimistic predictions. It's a good thing to be working for what should prove to be one of the most stable and strongest performers in the industry. It would be even better to reap our fair share of that success rather than continue to trail our chief competitors in many areas, but we are beginning to catch up nonetheless. The choice before is not a bad one to have, even if the touted “industry leading rates of pay” really aren't when considering true net compensation (and days worked). It still amounts to a significant amount of money over the alternative of an unmodified “Cost Neutral” JCBA. You have the option of voting to take a significant raise now (in exchange for seven notable and a few dozen minor and previously agreed-to modifications to the MTA) or to postpone a lesser (yet still significant) raise while declining to accept the proposed modifications with the goal of negotiating a more valuable contract in the near future. We are confident our pilots will make the best of the situation with either outcome, and neither result is to be celebrated or feared.[/SIZE]
 

 

[luvthe9]

Subject: Re: An MD-80 DAL Pilot Compensation for 2014
 

 


This information came from a US Airways F/O who is married to a Delta pilot.  The information should be used as a comparison to what you are being offered by the management proposal.  Kind of eye watering.....
 
 
 
Married to one for 18 years.  His 2014 year at a glance if anyone is interested.  Mid seniority (5700 out of 12,400)  MD-80 captain.  Hired in January,1997   
 
 
Pay:    251,000 
Profit sharing   (16.4%):     41,462
Defined Contribution (15%):   37,650  plus another 6,175 on the profit sharing
Per Diem:  5,800
Shared Reward:  1,075
Total compaensation:  342;862
 
 
Total work days:  162

 

[TBONEJ4J]

$2B stock buy back plan.
 
$2,000,000,000 of Company money will be used to inflate the stock price for these robber-barons' options.
 
And they have the chutzpah to steal the money in plain sight.

 

[luvthe9]

Subject: Re: An MD-80 DAL Pilot Compensation for 2014
 

 


This information came from a US Airways F/O who is married to a Delta pilot.  The information should be used as a comparison to what you are being offered by the management proposal.  Kind of eye watering.....




 
 
 
Married to one for 18 years.  His 2014 year at a glance if anyone is interested.  Mid seniority (5700 out of 12,400)  MD-80 captain.  Hired in January,1997   
 
 
Pay:    251,000 
Profit sharing   (16.4%):     41,462
Defined Contribution (15%):   37,650  plus another 6,175 on the profit sharing
Per Diem:  5,800
Shared Reward:  1,075
Total compaensation:  342;862
 
 
Total work days:  162

Minus 2, I would be upset giving this up also, I'm happy for the Delta guys, it's a first class operation run by a first class management team unlike here.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
You have the option of voting to take a significant raise now (in exchange for seven notable and a few dozen minor and previously agreed-to modifications to the MTA) or to postpone a lesser (yet still significant) raise while declining to accept the proposed modifications with the goal of negotiating a more valuable contract in the near future. 
 

 
Never thought I would agree with this poster, but I do in this case.  Especially on the point of "agreed to" items that now suddenly become deal breakers.  What hypocrisy!
 
If the proposed JCBA is voted down, anyone want to bet how bad the company can make things look when Section 6 starts in the next few years?  
 
If the price of fuel stays low, airline fares will soon plummet.  It will only take one of the big 4 to blink, and inevitably one will.
 
And, as pointed out, there is always the Wolfe tactic of using cash to buy back stock and increase shareholder value, while hiding profits from negotiating table.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 

Subject: Re: An MD-80 DAL Pilot Compensation for 2014
 

 


This information came from a US Airways F/O who is married to a Delta pilot.  The information should be used as a comparison to what you are being offered by the management proposal.  Kind of eye watering.....
 
 
 
Married to one for 18 years.  His 2014 year at a glance if anyone is interested.  Mid seniority (5700 out of 12,400)  MD-80 captain.  Hired in January,1997   
 
 
Pay:    251,000 
Profit sharing   (16.4%):     41,462
Defined Contribution (15%):   37,650  plus another 6,175 on the profit sharing
Per Diem:  5,800
Shared Reward:  1,075
Total compaensation:  342;862
 
 
Total work days:  162


 


 
Do you have your application in at Delta?  Why not?

 

[luvthe9]

Do you have your application in at Delta?  Why not?

I can only dream, but no after 34 years here and another 6 to go it would not be worth it I think, they are by far the best of the best hands down. We are the weak bottom feeders of the industry, but hey some has to be last. This pilot group has lost site of its own self worth.

I thought this might be the one and only one time this group stood up for itself, Spirit did it, I would love to see that just once before I go. The APA has been a disappointment so far, I was hoping for so much better.


APA unity, What a joke!



"In fact, in a recent corporate meeting at Delta called "Velvet 360" Delta's CEO Richard Anderson stated:

American is trying to mimic everything we do, but frankly they will never catch up to us, because they don't invest in their People."

 

[EastCheats]

Do you have your application in at Delta?  Why not?

Hey Luv,

Delta, Delta, Delta..give it a rest or take it to that forum. Delta pilots are not the ones voting. It's up to the AA pilots to vote yes or vote no.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Yes they are...American Airlines Group Inc. said Tuesday that fourth-quarter net income was $597 million, reversing a $2 billion loss a year earlier.
 
Jan 26th - Phoenix JCBA Vote update summary:
 
[SIZE=large]American Airlines Group will announce its full-year 2014 results tomorrow morning, Jan. 27. We hope the airline's financial performance exceeds even the most optimistic predictions. It's a good thing to be working for what should prove to be one of the most stable and strongest performers in the industry. It would be even better to reap our fair share of that success rather than continue to trail our chief competitors in many areas, but we are beginning to catch up nonetheless. The choice before is not a bad one to have, even if the touted “industry leading rates of pay” really aren't when considering true net compensation (and days worked). It still amounts to a significant amount of money over the alternative of an unmodified “Cost Neutral” JCBA. You have the option of voting to take a significant raise now (in exchange for seven notable and a few dozen minor and previously agreed-to modifications to the MTA) or to postpone a lesser (yet still significant) raise while declining to accept the proposed modifications with the goal of negotiating a more valuable contract in the near future. We are confident our pilots will make the best of the situation with either outcome, and neither result is to be celebrated or feared.[/SIZE]

 
Umm..."[SIZE=large](in exchange for seven notable and a few dozen minor and previously agreed-to modifications to the MTA)"....? [/SIZE]
Well heck! Now I feel truly foolish, since it's only "seven notable and" merely "a few dozen" other glaring concessions during a time of all-time-record profits, well, everyone should blindly jump on this immediately, and just ask of management How High? in the process. Really; what was I thinking? Oh, and btw; no "mofications" are "previously agreed to" here until/unless voted into being or not. Just a thought...