2015 Pilot Discussion.

[FL430]

Sorry, I have not seen the memo.
I look forward to wearing my new Liberty tie.

Wallow in your stupidity then, after the last eight years I would have thought you would have learned. You are a very dim bulb indeed. You are in the same seat, same base, and your Hail Mary Nic or nothing is going to cost your group millions in lost earnings over the next 20 years. Wait till you see the opening APA sli proposal has in store for you guys. So you will have 10000 LAA pilots and 3500 LUS guys telling the arb panel that you should be integrated as per Dec 2013 positions. How is it fair to the LAA guys to advance you guys on the NIC?

" the list'S currently in effect" ............ Ring a bell?

 

[EastCheats]

Wallow in your stupidity then, after the last eight years I would have thought you would have learned. You are a very dim bulb indeed. You are in the same seat, same base, and your Hail Mary Nic or nothing is going to cost your group millions in lost earnings over the next 20 years. Wait till you see the opening APA sli proposal has in store for you guys. So you will have 10000 LAA pilots and 3500 LUS guys telling the arb panel that you should be integrated as per Dec 2013 positions. How is it fair to the LAA guys to advance you guys on the NIC?
" the list'S currently in effect" ............ Ring a bell?

I'm certainly glad you are confident. You might want to change the batteries in your flashlight before SLI.

Nevermind, I'd rather see you run into walls like you normally do.

 

[Claxon]

Wallow in your stupidity then, after the last eight years I would have thought you would have learned. You are a very dim bulb indeed. You are in the same seat, same base, and your Hail Mary Nic or nothing is going to cost your group millions in lost earnings over the next 20 years. Wait till you see the opening APA sli proposal has in store for you guys. So you will have 10000 LAA pilots and 3500 LUS guys telling the arb panel that you should be integrated as per Dec 2013 positions. How is it fair to the LAA guys to advance you guys on the NIC?
" the list'S currently in effect" ............ Ring a bell?

LAA pilots will have the west locked off the 777 and 787 for a solid 10 yrs. east also.
west will be lucky to bid 30% of 330 flying tops.

 

[nevergiveup]

LAA pilots will have the west locked off the 777 and 787 for a solid 10 yrs. east also.

Probably more of a percentage lock related to the number of 330s and 350s expected to be flown by the east. Too bad the west chose to distance themselves from those aircraft. But the desert is nice this time of the year.

 

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Timothy R. Phelan...known as SH&E...potential likelihood of the America West bankruptcy...summarize Mr. Parker's projections, and our conclusion that we think he was very correctwe had to merge or liquidate, we had to merge with US Airways liquidate.


15 Mr. Phelan.

16 Have you seen an airline that was the size

17 and had the assets of US Airways in 2005 that has

18 been compelled to liquidate.

19 A I don't think there has ever been a case

20 of complete liquidation of airline as large as US

21 Airways.

You have America west

21 in the middle now, with rising costs in the

22 beginning of 2005. And you have low cost carriers


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1 will continue their low cost positioning versus

2 America West and the network carriers.

3 Q So this chart we are looking at now and

4 the related analysis that is in the full report

5 confirms Doug Parker's comments about the

6 competition dropping their costs?

7 A Their strategic model was broken, their

8 low cost strategic model was broken.

9 Q Thank you, Mr. Phelan.

10 The next exhibit, slide 12, switches to a

11 slightly different subject doesn't it?

12 A Well, it does, indeed.

13 Q Would you explain that, please?

14 A Mr. Parker said that you know, but for the

15 merger, if you will, but for the merger they would

16 have, and given the fact that they had four reasons,

17 they didn't have a strong enough market position

18 from a financial standpoint or from an income

19 standpoint to raise additional capital, equity, on

20 the equity side.

21 They had, as I recall, they only owned two

22 aircraft, two out of 140, so they had no collateral.


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1 They had no assets to pledge as collateral for

2 additional debt. Most of their loans were

3 unsecured, I should say, but at any rate he said you

4 know, but for -- given our competitive situation,

5 given our inability to raise additional capital, and

6 given our cash situation, we had to merge or

7 liquidate, we had to merge with US Airways or

8 liquidate.


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America west owned 2 of 140 aircraft. east pilots pissed their pants and disregarded the facts, opening the door to LOA 93
Chip Munn and Traitor led the March of bed wetters.

 

[luvthe9]

You are going to have to stop wearing white socks on your ears.  Sorry.
 
We know you like to show everyone what an independent "thinker" you are, but that's just too weird even for the Purple Tutu guy.

His thinking is done through his lover Munn.

 

[luvthe9]

Probably more of a percentage lock related to the number of 330s and 350s expected to be flown by the east. Too bad the west chose to distance themselves from those aircraft. But the desert is nice this time of the year.

They did it to themselves, it's funny some of the smarter westies know its not a good idea to go in with their own seat as the west brings absolutely nothing to the table.

 

[luvthe9]

Wallow in your stupidity then, after the last eight years I would have thought you would have learned. You are a very dim bulb indeed. You are in the same seat, same base, and your Hail Mary Nic or nothing is going to cost your group millions in lost earnings over the next 20 years. Wait till you see the opening APA sli proposal has in store for you guys. So you will have 10000 LAA pilots and 3500 LUS guys telling the arb panel that you should be integrated as per Dec 2013 positions. How is it fair to the LAA guys to advance you guys on the NIC?
" the list'S currently in effect" ............ Ring a bell?

Well put!

 

[CactusPilot1]

Wallow in your stupidity then, after the last eight years I would have thought you would have learned. You are a very dim bulb indeed. You are in the same seat, same base, and your Hail Mary Nic or nothing is going to cost your group millions in lost earnings over the next 20 years. Wait till you see the opening APA sli proposal has in store for you guys. So you will have 10000 LAA pilots and 3500 LUS guys telling the arb panel that you should be integrated as per Dec 2013 positions. How is it fair to the LAA guys to advance you guys on the NIC?
" the list'S currently in effect" ............ Ring a bell?

Piss off!

 

[luvthe9]

Pilot: . . . . My question though is I was at the hearing for the furloughed guys and one of the possibilities they were discussing is moving 190s to the west and can’t do that. You know why.

Parker: Why

Pilot: Binding arbitration. So the company believes in binding arbitration. We have a binding arbitration for seniority. Does the company believe in binding arbitration or not?

Parker: The binding arbitration you’re talking about I think – I’m pretty sure what you are talking about – that was an ALPA process that resulted in binding arbitration. That wasn’t a company process. That’s ALPA to ALPA seniority integration that says if you can’t get it resolved we go to binding arbitration is ALPA policy not company policy. If the company’s in binding arbitration, yea we believe in binding arbitration.

 

[luvthe9]

Piss off!

Go to your room Davey boy, your about to go over the edge, remember "Fodase".

 

[Claxon]

http://upgrd.com/aerospace/love-foolosophy-us-airways-and-american-airlines-announce-merger.html


Although Phoenix has large population density, and a high-volume of O&D traffic, it is a low-yielding hub. US Airways can sustain it at present since the airline follows an extremely lean/low-cost model, but once it merges with American, the combined carrier will see its cost base rise. With a more bloated structure, the airline will be unable to support the same level of nonstops and frequencies out of its PHX hub without raising fares, which will result in hefty turnover to lower-priced options on other carriers such as Southwest (the #2 airline in Phoenix) and the airline will fall out of favor among locals. In a best-case scenario, Phoenix will be shrunk to serve 50 or so cities at max, with a few key Canadian, Mexican and Hawaiian markets retained.

 

[Claxon]

Andrew Nocella: “When you take that and combine it with high fuel prices, Las Vegas has become extremely unprofitable for US Airways and would remain unprofitable indefinitely at its current size... / “US Airways dropped those flights because they couldn’t make any money on them,” said aviation consultant Mike Boyd of Evergreen, Colo.-based Boyd Group International. “I don’t see it as a deathblow (for Las Vegas). But the days of America West are over.

“Las Vegas has always been a low-fare leisure market but now the fares are considerably lower because of
falling demand, said Andrew Nocella, senior vice president of marketing and planning for US Airways in the
company’s employee newsletter. “When you take that and combine it with high fuel prices, Las Vegas has
become extremely unprofitable for US Airways and would remain unprofitable indefinitely at its current size.
“Reducing service at Las Vegas was a very difficult decision,” Nocella said, “but the right one to make in this
environment. We need to do all we can to return US Airways to profitability and that requires eliminating
unprofitable flying.”

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“US Airways dropped those flights because they couldn’t make any money on them,” said aviation
consultant Mike Boyd of Evergreen, Colo.-based Boyd Group International. “I don’t see it as a deathblow
(for Las Vegas). But the days of America West are over. They were great days, but the economy has
changed.”~

Bill Lemer, a gaming analyst with Union Gaming Group, told investors he doesn’t think the US Airways’
cutbacks would have a major effect on the financial fortunes of local resorts.

“We don’t think this latest round of cuts from US Airways is indicative of anything other than a legacy
carrier trying to keep its head above water,” Lemer said in a note to investors after the announcement.
“Quite simply, when demand for Las Vegas improves there will be a corresponding uptick in supply.”
When US Airways operated as America West Airlines in the early 1990s, it had more flights to more
destinations than any other carrier. McCarran was a hub airport for the airline and it found a niche for
leisure travelers by offering discounted late-night flights.

But in the mid-1990s, Southwest Airlines, capitalizing on its low-fare model matching up with leisure

 

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America West Airlines Inc.10-Q For 09/30/05

13. Subsequent Events

ATSB Warrant Repurchase

On October 1, 2005, US Airways Group repurchased all of the warrants it had issued to the ATSB in exchange for warrants previously issued by America West Holdings. These replacement warrants are related to the ATSB Loan with AWA. The Company repurchased approximately 7.7 million warrants to purchase shares of common stock that had an exercise price of $7.27 per share. The total purchase price for the warrants was $116 million.

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America West Airlines Inc.10-K For 12/31/05
"In October 2005, US Airways Group repurchased all of the warrants it had issued to the ATSB in exchange for warrants previously issued by America West Holdings in connection with the AWA loan. The Company repurchased approximately 7.7 million warrants to purchase shares of common stock that had an exercise price of $7.27 per share. The total purchase price for the warrants was $116 million, the fair value of such warrants on the repurchase date."

 

[luvthe9]

AWAPPA: please stop ridiculing and threatening anyone who wants to move forward and give us a voice. The furloughs are coming. We need a voice. You cant stop them and youre hurting those you say you represent. AWAPPA press releases and attacks on company management are going on deaf ears. Theyre not listening. If nothing else, our former scheduling guys need to step up without your interference and help slow down the furloughs.



AOL destroyed west pilots careers.