2015 AMT Discussion

[700UW]

I worked at line stations where there was no avionics staffed and mechanics did the work.

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

I worked at line stations where there was no avionics staffed and mechanics did the work.

 
I work at a line station where there are no avionics and some mechanics can't even read a schematic!
 
GOOD JOB AA!
 
Be nice to see a professional standards program in our new contract>

 

[2ndGENAMT]

It would be nice for the Association to list all the articles that have TAs, the ones they are working on and ones that have not been addressed with every update. But that would expose how miserably slow they are moving.

 

[MetalMover]

Thanks Paul1, it sounds like the leaders of Aircraft maintenance don't have a clue what they're doing. They talk about on time departure but yet don't provide resources for mechanics to do the job. 27k FA's on their second generation of tablets, 14k pilots on their second generation tablets. Mechanics, some have tablets some don't. Even as something as simple as a work stand at each gate is too much to ask for. We have about 30 mechs for 60 gates on any given day. That's probably why they don't have a mechanic meeting every plane and staying with that plane until it pushes off the gate.

Instead of blaming the mechanics for doing a slow down, how about providing the resources to do the job. Getting back to avionics, to people that have never worked avionics, avionics is nothing more then replacing a box. It would be refreshing to get an executive of aircraft maintenance who actually knows something of aircraft maintenance. AA's chief pilot IS a pilot. Hector the head of flight service WAS a FA. And guess what, their respective work groups have gotten contracts and are provided the resources to do the job.

 
 

I don't think that what he's trying to say.

At the risk of putting words in Duke's mouth, try reading it like this:

"To people that have never worked avionics, it may seem like nothing more than replacing a box."

Seems like a good time to remind everyone that /all/ work has value. It's not just smashing bags, slinging cokes, or replacing a box...

I won't beat this dead horse..but..........If you just read his comment about avionics..He was responding to Paul1......I do not see how you know that he meant otherwise when he said avionics is nothing more than replacing a box....

 

[DallasConehead]

The guys on day/aft terminal have little time for troubleshoot and repair live trips due to short ground time, with pireps, if it can't be placarded or fixed with a quick R&R/ops check. It goes OTS and the utility guys get a crack at it if they're not already busy.  Or the mid term or day/aft/mid hangar guys get in to it with more in depth troubleshoot and repair, wire repairs, canon plugs, etc etc. This is how DFW is set up, cant speak for other class 1s.
 
Some of the guys have been working avionics for 30 years, either here at AA or prior military as well.  There's guys that are good with new tech like triples and 78s, other really good at troubleshooting wire problems and really good with the manuals. Some guys just good at placarding and minor R&Rs. Some guys like widebodys, others narrwbodys, some guys just love the 80s others hate them. Some guys thrive in high pressure at the gate with people boarding, others hate that and prefer hangar work. Most guys have one fleet they excel at, then there are some guys good at all of it, hot shot avionics techs.
 
There's a mixture that seems to function pretty well at getting the gig done.
 
Lately, management has been doing there best to cut the dept. down to minimums, cutting maybe 40 guys over the last few years. But have pushed very little work off on the general mechanics, this in addition to growing the operation with more flights has stretched the dept thin which means OT can be easily had if one wants it.

 

[conehead777]

It would be nice for the Association to list all the articles that have TAs, the ones they are working on and ones that have not been addressed with every update. But that would expose how miserably slow they are moving.

plus and explanation to why it hasn't been Ta what the hold up is. What there working on now and what the company's reason for no Ta if there's no Ta

 

[1AA]

I work at a line station where there are no avionics and some mechanics can't even read a schematic!
 
GOOD JOB AA!
 
Be nice to see a professional standards program in our new contract>

You don't need a new contract to get Professional Standards. You need common sense and good basic work ethics. The union is just the opposite in that the TWU created the lack of professional attitudes and pride in our profession. It's called divide and conquer and it goes even deeper than that after 30 plus years.

 

[Buck]

I worked at line stations where there was no avionics staffed and mechanics did the work.

What Union Hall was that?

 

[700UW]

I remember back in the day the avionics guys had to do a ton of rewiring on an F28, working with flashlights and hanging upside down for seven days.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I remember back in the day the avionics guys had to do a ton of rewiring on an F28, working with flashlights and hanging upside down for seven days.

Who gives him a negative rep for that post. Some of you just do that for nothing.

I disagree with 700UW on many things, but I will agree to disagree.

Some here just seem to put a red mark on anything he posts. Hell, he could wish you happy birthday and you would down vote it.

He does have some good knowledge and adds to the conversation, good or bad. He is not a troll like some here.

 

[700UW]

What Union Hall was that?

Tampa Line Maintenance on Third Shift.
 
After we lost the 767 service to TPA they lost line avionics.

 

[xUT]

Who gives him a negative rep for that post. Some of you just do that for nothing.

I disagree with 700UW on many things, but I will agree to disagree.

Some here just seem to put a red mark on anything he posts. Hell, he could wish you happy birthday and you would down vote it.

He does have some good knowledge and adds to the conversation, good or bad. He is not a troll like some here.

 
I kind of agree.
If he can stop being such and arrogant AMFA hating IAM tool, maybe.
But if I hear another 'don't let the facts get in your way' when he's clearly pulling it out of his a$$, then I have issue with that.
Just my 2 cents.
 
B) xUT

 

[AANOTOK]

Who gives him a negative rep for that post. Some of you just do that for nothing.

I disagree with 700UW on many things, but I will agree to disagree.

Some here just seem to put a red mark on anything he posts. Hell, he could wish you happy birthday and you would down vote it.

He does have some good knowledge and adds to the conversation, good or bad. He is not a troll like some here.

Agree. Why not red or green based on substance, not the individual doing the posting.
I guess its a "feel good" thing for some.  :huh:

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Getting back to avionics, to people that have never worked avionics, avionics is nothing more then replacing a box.

I won't beat this dead horse..but..........If you just read his comment about avionics..He was responding to Paul1......I do not see how you know that he meant otherwise when he said avionics is nothing more than replacing a box....

That is not what he said.
 
He said to people that never worked avionics, avionics is nothing more than replacing a box. Meaning to people that don't do it, they don't understand the complexity of it.
 
He was saying that people that represent others should understand things from the perspective of the people they represent.

 

[bigjets]

Some funny numbers to think about, now that the misunderstanding of Dukes simple words have been explained to the avionics guys.

I worked two etops flights. Two mechs two flights, our pay $608. Both 8 hr flts. There is a combined 22 FAs $5280 pay. We don't even have 22 mechs on our shift. Interesting I thought.