Words Of Wisdom

[local 12 proud]

"If the employees come first, then they're happy," Herb Kelleher, Southwest Airlines co-founder is quoted as saying. "A motivated employee treats the customer well. The customer is happy so they keep coming back, which pleases the shareholders. It's not one of the enduring Green mysteries of all time, it is just the way it works."

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

That can't be the way it works! Employees are supposed to work for nothing and just be happy they have a job! In fact,employees should cheer the cuts in pay and benefits! Who needs a house,food, or transportation anyway? Those things are way overrated! :wacko:

 

[Garfield1966]

Yea, we should have all kept our salaries, got raises to boot, not laid off a single person ... oh yea, forgot, that would mean we would be liquidated and we would all be out of a job.



DUH!

 

[goingboeing]

Yea, we should have all kept our salaries, got raises to boot, not laid off a single person ... oh yea, forgot, that would mean we would be liquidated and we would all be out of a job.
DUH!

[post="194219"][/post]​

What is a fair salary for a pilot-mechanic-flight attendant?

If AA expects its employees to make the same concessions that U.S Air employees have made or been forced to make then the jobs at AA aren't worth a plug nickel.
If AA comes back for more concessions/and /or retirement then I don't care if AA goes out of business.This would the best thing for airline employees everywhere for low paying airlines to go away.

 

[TheLazarusman]

"If the employees come first, then they're happy," Herb Kelleher, Southwest Airlines co-founder is quoted as saying. "A motivated employee treats the customer well. The customer is happy so they keep coming back, which pleases the shareholders. It's not one of the enduring Green mysteries of all time, it is just the way it works."

[post="194095"][/post]​

Good ol' Herb. It's a shame we can't clone him and send him to US, DL, and UA right now. Good luck to all my friends at AA from a US employee. My dad retired from AA after 40 wonderful years. I love all of ya'll; and I love that big blue eagle! Wish I was one of you. Keep being "Something Special In The Air," and "Doing What You Do Best."
Best Wishes.

 

[Oneflyer]

Its funny how AA's union membership love to talk about how great Herb is, but when AA tries implement some of the things Southwest does they go crazy.

What Herb does isn't magic, its nothing that isn't easy to figure out, the difference is that Southwest's union are willing to work with, instead of against the company.

If Herb was the boss both union and management employees would work harder, more productively, with fewer work rules, for less or similiar money, and there would be less employees. Is that what you want, because I'm sure that AA's management would be more than happy to grant your wish.

 

[coldplay]

What Herb does isn't magic, its nothing that isn't easy to figure out, the difference is that Southwest's union are willing to work with, instead of against the company.

[post="194786"][/post]​

The Unions of AA and OAL are willing to work with Management, it's just the deceit and lies Management is known for that prevents this from happening.
Give Management a dollar and they'll squeeze an extra hundred off of you.

 

[AA80Driver]

Its funny how AA's union membership love to talk about how great Herb is, but when AA tries implement some of the things Southwest does they go crazy.

What Herb does isn't magic, its nothing that isn't easy to figure out, the difference is that Southwest's union are willing to work with, instead of against the company.

If Herb was the boss both union and management employees would work harder, more productively, with fewer work rules, for less or similiar money, and there would be less employees. Is that what you want, because I'm sure that AA's management would be more than happy to grant your wish.

[post="194786"][/post]​

I guess you haven't reviewed SWA's pilot contract.

 

[Decision 2004]

I would like to see the following comparison with factual data.

Number of AA Pilots per Aircraft vs SWA Pilots per Aircraft

Number of AA F/A per Aircraft vs SWA F/A per Aircraft

Number of AA Mechanics per Aircraft vs SWA Mechanics per Aircraft

Number of AA Baggage/Ground per Aircraft vs SWA Baggage/Ground per Aircraft

Number of AA MANAGEMENT/Non-Union per Aircraft vs SWA MANAGEMENT/Non-Union per Aircraft


I for one believe a very important revelation would appear when looking at this comparison.

 

[eolesen]

I would like to see the following comparison with factual data.

Number of AA Pilots per Aircraft vs SWA Pilots per Aircraft

Number of AA F/A per Aircraft vs SWA F/A per Aircraft

Number of AA Mechanics per Aircraft vs SWA Mechanics per Aircraft

Number of AA Baggage/Ground per Aircraft vs SWA Baggage/Ground per Aircraft

Number of AA MANAGEMENT/Non-Union per Aircraft vs SWA MANAGEMENT/Non-Union per Aircraft
I for one believe a very important revelation would appear when looking at this comparison.

[post="194805"][/post]​

Sounds great, but it's a apples and potatoes comparison.

AA's agents are non-union, WN's are union.

AA's fleet has widebodies, WN's doesn't.

AA's operation has long-haul routes (i.e. requiring in-flight crew rest), WN's doesn't.

AA deals with palletized cargo, WN doesn't.

If you change that to be employees per departure, or employees per available seat mile, it may be a slightly more relevant comparison, but you're still going to end up with apples and potatoes because of the different nature of where AA and WN operate.

 

[Garfield1966]

Number of AA F/A per Aircraft vs SWA F/A per Aircraft

[post="194805"][/post]​

SWA flies FAA min. Does not matter if the flight has 1 pax or full load. No VMC, no understaffing pay.


Any takers?

 

[Garfield1966]

What is a fair salary for a pilot-mechanic-flight attendant?

If AA expects its employees to make the same concessions that U.S Air employees have made or been forced to make then the jobs at AA aren't worth a plug nickel.
If AA comes back for more concessions/and /or retirement then I don't care if AA goes out of business.This would the best thing for airline employees everywhere for low paying airlines to go away.

[post="194240"][/post]​

Well, you need to find an airline that will pay you what you think you are worth. SWA does not value your labor at the same rate that AA does. Neither does Jet Blue, ATA ... ETC.

The Low Fair Airlines are here to stay. I am sure the mom and pop stores are saying the same about Wal-Mart. Book stores would love to see Amazon go away. Free enterprise and capitalism have a price. I am willing to bet that you shop at a store that uses cheap labor. I am willing to bet that you own merchandise in your home that was made abroad by cheap labor. Ahh the cost of freedom. Ain’t it a b1tch.

 

[FA Mikey]

SWA flies FAA min. Does not matter if the flight has 1 pax or full load. No VMC, no understaffing pay.
Any takers?

[post="194857"][/post]​

Also No meal, first or business class. No customs forms or duty free. No selling meal or inflight entertainment boxes. No headsets or hanging jackets. The list goes on.

 

[FA Mikey]

Well, you need to find an airline that will pay you what you think you are worth. SWA does not value your labor at the same rate that AA does. Neither does Jet Blue, ATA ... ETC.

The Low Fair Airlines are here to stay. I am sure the mom and pop stores are saying the same about Wal-Mart. Book stores would love to see Amazon go away. Free enterprise and capitalism have a price. I am willing to bet that you shop at a store that uses cheap labor. I am willing to bet that you own merchandise in your home that was made abroad by cheap labor. Ahh the cost of freedom. Ain’t it a b1tch.

[post="194866"][/post]​

They are here to stay, Who claimed they were leaving? SWA is a strong established carrier, and has been for many many years, There have been the fly by nights, many have failed and still more will. Likely to see ATA in BK in just days, FLYI may not be to far behind them.

How odd though its not always about low fare. Legacy carriers have the ability to offer smaller and competitive fares but refuse to or even try sabotage those who try.

Service and accessibility rank in there to.low fare carriers are in only the largest markets. As legacy's cut back you will begin to see more of the fallout. Many small cities will lose their air service. Its still sad to see the established carriers doing so little to bring downs cost outside of stealing employees compensation, yet refusing to after the ex CEO's living high and easy on payoffs from the airlines struggling to survive.

I am willing to bet most things are made by cheap labor overseas, has been for sometime, and will continue to be.

Dont be surprised to find there are people who wont shop at walmarts and the like. There communities and people protesting and restricting walmart from coming in to there towns.

 

[local 12 proud]

Also No meal, first or business class. No customs forms or duty free. No selling meal or inflight entertainment boxes. No headsets or hanging jackets. The list goes on.

[post="195114"][/post]​

so with all these ameneties that AA offers and southwest DOES'NT how do we compete when the customer says we just want the cheapest fare? we can become an LCC and fight fire with fire, or we can continue to be all things to all people but the cost must be brought down to remain viable, so where will these cost reductions be obtained? look at USAIR and whats happening folks, you can't get blood out of a turnip!