AA hypocrisy at it's finest!

[B737 driver]

This management team got deals done with every union quickly but one. They gave the FAs a raise out of contract.
And you all still think management is anti union/employee and that is why you don't have deal? The association is good at brainwashing you folks but not so good at negotiating a contract.

Interesting you could interchange our unions SWA and American Airlines and the results would be the same for maintenance no contract , and the mechanics posting the same complaints, about the lack of their unions effectiveness.

 

[swamt]

Interesting you could interchange our unions SWA and American Airlines and the results would be the same for maintenance no contract , and the mechanics posting the same complaints, about the lack of their unions effectiveness.

Your the only one on here complaining about your union representation.
There are several mechanics at AA complaining about their asso. not just one, a big difference.
Yes it has been too long. BUT, this is all being dragged out by the company not the union. Co. wanted their 5 year pay freeze, then they (co's previous lead nego from AT) were banking and guaranteeing the mechanics would take the last deal overwhelmingly. He was so blinded by the facts he guaranteed it to VP of maint who was passing on those guarantees to the man himself GK. GK will not forget how overwhelmingly this guaranteed passing failed by over 75% of the members. When you get 75% plus members voting it down, something was totally wrong with the offer and now they know why.
Come to the table to make the mechanics whole and it will fly...

 

[B737 driver]

Your the only one on here complaining about your union representation.
There are several mechanics at AA complaining about their asso. not just one, a big difference.
Yes it has been too long. BUT, this is all being dragged out by the company not the union. Co. wanted their 5 year pay freeze, then they (co's previous lead nego from AT) were banking and guaranteeing the mechanics would take the last deal overwhelmingly. He was so blinded by the facts he guaranteed it to VP of maint who was passing on those guarantees to the man himself GK. GK will not forget how overwhelmingly this guaranteed passing failed by over 75% of the members. When you get 75% plus members voting it down, something was totally wrong with the offer and now they know why.
Come to the table to make the mechanics whole and it will fly...

Sorry to disagree with you here, but it takes two to dance. Yes the company wants to pay as little as possible to get a deal to pass. If AMFA wanted a No vote they could have accepted the 2016 compensation package and voted it down then by the same percentage, then we would have had a better package a year later in 2017, and been done. But the negotiating committee didn't trust the mechanics, so now we will go 7 years. So AMFA effectiveness getting a deal is no better than Americans Association. The only difference is we do not have a bankruptcy contract. We have had the same song and dance from the company and our union, all this time. Look at the other groups at SWA, oh and stores has another T/A maybe third time is the charm. Other unions at SWA average 4 to 5 years-to produce a successful agreement. Us not so much.

 

[UPNAWAY]

The company starts negotiation today with the FA's one whole year before their contract is even amenable.
In the dance analogy the company is walking around the Gym asking every girl to dance, the "Association" is still sitting way up in the bleachers complaining that they are not dancing.

 

[B737 driver]

The company starts negotiation today with the FA's one whole year before their contract is even amenable.
In the dance analogy the company is walking around the Gym asking every girl to dance, the "Association" is still sitting way up in the bleachers complaining that they are not dancing.

That's because they care about the people that move their product pilots, F/A and people that load the bags. Maintenance not so much.

 

[swamt]

Sorry to disagree with you here, but it takes two to dance. Yes the company wants to pay as little as possible to get a deal to pass. If AMFA wanted a No vote they could have accepted the 2016 compensation package and voted it down then by the same percentage, then we would have had a better package a year later in 2017, and been done. But the negotiating committee didn't trust the mechanics, so now we will go 7 years. So AMFA effectiveness getting a deal is no better than Americans Association. The only difference is we do not have a bankruptcy contract. We have had the same song and dance from the company and our union, all this time. Look at the other groups at SWA, oh and stores has another T/A maybe third time is the charm. Other unions at SWA average 4 to 5 years-to produce a successful agreement. Us not so much.

It does take two.
Matter fact, the company was the one not nego in good faith when all was worked thru except for economics, then the past lead nego for the team said, "not another dime until the membership votes." So the offer came out, with the company thinking it was good enough to pass, and it failed overwhelmingly. You see, after the 5 year pay freeze, the company nego team thought we would jump right on their first offer after waiting for so long but the membership is tired of the company trying to get away with that crap.
Like I said, "make the mechanics whole and they will get an agreement."

 

[B737 driver]

It does take two.
Matter fact, the company was the one not nego in good faith when all was worked thru except for economics, then the past lead nego for the team said, "not another dime until the membership votes." So the offer came out, with the company thinking it was good enough to pass, and it failed overwhelmingly. You see, after the 5 year pay freeze, the company nego team thought we would jump right on their first offer after waiting for so long but the membership is tired of the company trying to get away with that crap.
Like I said, "make the mechanics whole and they will get an agreement."

If you know SWA history they had one mechanics strike in 1980 lasted a week. That was when they had their independent union. After it was settled they kicked their independent union and brought in the Teamsters. They lasted for 23 years, until AMFA came in , into 2003.So we are where we are at in 2019. I figured out a long time ago as long as AMFA blames the company and people believe it, they keep the train rolling and the money coming in. The company saves money and AMFA gets our dues. This is no different than the industrial unions or Americans Association, and both other groups from the pilots to the F/A s to ramp get their money and enjoy watching us as mechanics wasting our time.Swampy you will do yourself a big favor remove the rose color glasses and realize that both sides are playing us.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

If you know SWA history they had one mechanics strike in 1980 lasted a week. That was when they had their independent union. After it was settled they kicked their independent union and brought in the Teamsters. They lasted for 23 years, until AMFA came in , into 2003.So we are where we are at in 2019. I figured out a long time ago as long as AMFA blames the company and people believe it, they keep the train rolling and the money coming in. The company saves money and AMFA gets our dues. This is no different than the industrial unions or Americans Association, and both other groups from the pilots to the F/A s to ramp get their money and enjoy watching us as mechanics wasting our time.Swampy you will do yourself a big favor remove the rose color glasses and realize that both sides are playing us.

I have always stated and will continue to do so that American Airlines really needs a UNION of American Airlines only employees. Seems multi-employer UNIONs never work out.

Maintenance should really try to set their differences with the other work groups aside and join with them to create an American Airlines employees only UNION.

 

[eolesen]

Interesting you could interchange our unions SWA and American Airlines and the results would be the same for maintenance no contract , and the mechanics posting the same complaints, about the lack of their unions effectiveness.

Yep. The problem isn't the union. It's who they have at the negotiating table. As long as you use laymen at the table when the other side has lawyers, MBA's and finance minded people, you're doomed to be mediocre and be fleeced at the table.

But, I'm sure someone will come here to tell me that having "seasoned employees" is more fruitful. I've yet to see that in 30+ years, but maybe one of these times it will be proven correct...

 

[B737 driver]

Yep. The problem isn't the union. It's who they have at the negotiating table. As long as you use laymen at the table when the other side has lawyers, MBA's and finance minded people, you're doomed to be mediocre and be fleeced at the table.

But, I'm sure someone will come here to tell me that having "seasoned employees" is more fruitful. I've yet to see that in 30+ years, but maybe one of these times it will be proven correct...

It's like having the best college team, playing a professional football team, the pros would win.

 

[Buck]

Interesting you could interchange our unions SWA and American Airlines and the results would be the same for maintenance no contract , and the mechanics posting the same complaints, about the lack of their unions effectiveness.

The difference would be the Mechanics at LAA have a Communist based union led by the AFL-CIO.

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