Woman's Arizona airport death accidental

[sharktooth]

And what were they supposed to do? Go to the closest airport store that sells protest signs. Nowadays in airports it is common to see and hear loud disturbed people. Where have you been?

I suppose your comments would work also in the 1930s of Germany.

No one made inquiry as to what happened? Not one person witnessed?

 

[sharktooth]

Hey man, that comment is out of line. How dare you blame an agent who was just doing their job. While your at it why not blame the pilot for not checking the boarding lounge when he notices there are empty seats.

First, do you know for a fact the agent was "just doing their job"? At this point, who is to say?

Most pilots I know _do_ check the boarding lounge to see that everyone gets boarded. Just because the pilot is not be there in person, doesn't mean they don't know what is going on - YMMV. and, do not ever think the glass on a terminal is one-way.

 

[sharktooth]

And the above is from a pilot who got into a fight with the TSA.

Guess you must have lost the argument on the other threads, again.

Making stuff up makes you look old and grumpy. and kinda silly.

I refuse to participate in "security theatre" which is why one, maybe two, TSA dudes got fired by my hand in FLL. I don't think the head of TSA would have sent me a letter thanking me for participating had what you assert occurred. Your posts mostly seem authoritative but sometimes, as in this case, you ruin your credibility over malformed gossip. IMHO.

 

[Seatacus]

I suppose your comments would work also in the 1930s of Germany.

No one made inquiry as to what happened? Not one person witnessed?

So next time you see some disturbance at the airport I guess I can count on you to step in and make sure everything is being dealt with in the correct manner. Get real......................... :blink: like that is going to happen.

Comparing this situation to 1930's Germany is wrong and unfair to the victims and survivors of the Nazi regime. Shame on you................

 

[Seatacus]

First, do you know for a fact the agent was "just doing their job"? At this point, who is to say?

Most pilots I know _do_ check the boarding lounge to see that everyone gets boarded. Just because the pilot is not be there in person, doesn't mean they don't know what is going on - YMMV. and, do not ever think the glass on a terminal is one-way.

Now I know your telling fibs......keep it up and someone's pants are going to catch on fire. In the 35 years I was in customer service I got to know many pilots and most of them never got involved with the boarding process. Most of them were mainly concerned with getting that tube of aluminum safely from on place to another. Sounds like you are in favor of micro-managing the whole boarding process from the flight deck. Sounds great to me. Next time we have an oversell we can just grab the captain and let him handle everything.

The agent was most likely doing their job. Was there any disciplinary action taken against them? Has anyone asked the pilot if he or she would have wanted a person who was inebriated (.24 blood alcohol level) with the potential to throw a tantrum on board if she did not get her way, is that who they want flying?????

Sheesh....stop the drama.

 

[leprechaun]

First, do you know for a fact the agent was "just doing their job"? At this point, who is to say?

Most pilots I know _do_ check the boarding lounge to see that everyone gets boarded. Just because the pilot is not be there in person, doesn't mean they don't know what is going on - YMMV. and, do not ever think the glass on a terminal is one-way.

Most pilots I know hide behind the cockpit door. I've had to pull many a disruptive passenger off an aircraft. When it comes to problem passengers, the crews call for the gate agent or supervisor to deal with them. So while your trembling in your cockpit, don't you dare quesion how I deal with problem passengers.

 

[EMBFA]

I saw a person who was confused, frightened and needed a friend.

 

[2clippedwings]

I saw a person who was confused, frightened and needed a friend. I saw detainers who were pretty accustomed to managing situations with force, bent on accomplishing their "mission", whatever misguided direction that led them. I saw bystanders really trying to hide their attentions, abjectly deferring to misguided law enforcement, just like the German citizens stood around trying not to notice as the Jews were hauled off.

You didn't notice too much, did you? I guess anyone would get numb to life after watching Jerry Springer reruns and their ilk.

Had the half-arsed agent handled the situation like they should have, she would likely be alive today. Unless full, closing the door prior to scheduled departure time is just plain duplicitous advertising. Publishing a departure time, yet reserving the right to depart early with unfilled seats borders on criminal, even while the published departure time is on every information screen available.

If an airline needs that particular ability, they need to make it plain, in big, capital letters, that the aircraft may depart early. (The "excuse" they use to manage "on time" is really a lie, the entire charade being to sweep management incompetence under the carpet).

Also, leaving restraints on a person after they are confined in a cell is just plain lazy stupidity and if policy, needs to be changed.

Well, that's one take on the subject but don't forget THIS aspect of the issue. See below.


Sec. 121.575 - Alcoholic beverages.

(a) No person may drink any alcoholic beverage aboard an aircraft unless the certificate holder operating the aircraft has served that beverage to him.

b)no certificate holder may serve any alcoholic beverage to any person aboard any of its aircraft who --

(1) Appears to be intoxicated;

(2) Is escorting a person or being escorted in accordance with 49 CFR 1544.221; or

(3) Has a deadly or dangerous weapon accessible to him while aboard the aircraft in accordance with 49 CFR 1544.219, 1544.221, or 1544.223.

c) No certificate holder may allow any person to board any of its aircraft if that person appears to be intoxicated.

(d) Each certificate holder shall, within five days after the incident, report to the Administrator the refusal of any person to comply with paragraph (a) of this section, or of any disturbance caused by a person who appears to be intoxicated aboard any of its aircraft.

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> I don't think the head of TSA would have sent me a letter thanking me for participating had what you assert occurred.

 

[supercruiser]

Most pilots I know hide behind the cockpit door. I've had to pull many a disruptive passenger off an aircraft. When it comes to problem passengers, the crews call for the gate agent or supervisor to deal with them. So while your trembling in your cockpit, don't you dare quesion how I deal with problem passengers.

That's because these passengers most likely were dispruptive or intoxicated in the boarding area too, and should never have been boarded in the first place, but somone like you failed to do your job and dumped them on the flight crew to deal with. No I don't go out of the cockpit to deal with these issues. If a f/a wants somone removed, it's good enough for me, so I call for a supervisor to come down and remove them. I don't make it my problem, or make a situation worse by trying to second guess my f/a's, or enter an argument with an already disruptive passenger.

 

[leprechaun]

That's because these passengers most likely were dispruptive or intoxicated in the boarding area too, and should never have been boarded in the first place, but somone like you failed to do your job and dumped them on the flight crew to deal with. No I don't go out of the cockpit to deal with these issues. If a f/a wants somone removed, it's good enough for me, so I call for a supervisor to come down and remove them. I don't make it my problem, or make a situation worse by trying to second guess my f/a's, or enter an argument with an already disruptive passenger.

Here is your new uniform.

 

[Seatacus]

Here is your new uniform.

You obviously don't understand the functions of the different work groups. I doubt you even work for the airlines.

 

[leprechaun]

You obviously don't understand the functions of the different work groups. I doubt you even work for the airlines.

Well, I'd venture a guess I have more time in than you, especially if your a westie.

Let me put my vast experiance to work here. You pass out soda and pretzels, and than sit down and do the crossword puzzle. Ohh ya, your here for our safety.......

 

[leprechaun]

Hate to break the news to you Leperchaun but "Seatacus" is one of the "Good Ones" and works/worked for the REAL Us Airways. Not this wannabe airline that is trying to play big airline with a regional mentality. Show some respect.

I give what I get....stop being so negative

 

[N965VJ]

I give what I get....stop being so negative

Next thing you’ll be telling US1YFARE to quit her job as a FA.