WN Mechanics seek mediation

[swamt]

They recommend the agreement, I would say most are happy. Still waiting on the full language of T/A to read. So that's about it. I see the stores ratified their contract. Third time is the charm.

Pretty sure all locals will recommend a yes vote. With the latest of news and events it would be best to move forward, fix the relationship between SWA and mechanics, so we can all move forward with growth and expansion. Hiring will come with a new contract as I was told.
I am hoping that the 2nd time is the charm for us with our 2nd offer. I too will weigh it all out after reading all the language changes and details, but, as of now it looks pretty good to me.
Yes, our Material Specialist did vote in their last contract offer. I do not know all or any details or the changes from their last offer, BUT, I was told their financial part of it was just "rearranged" or reshuffled and thrown back at them.
Here's an article about their contract that also includes info on us waiting for a vote. I always have hated when they mix other groups within the same article when addressing one group. In other words, it really didn't do the MS any justice by throwing our info in with the same article, IMO.

Southwest Airlines union votes to approve new contract

 

[swamt]

Now here is a very truthful article from DMN. Very well laid out time frame to say the least. Well informed information through the negotiations. All this was front page of business in Dallas Morning News as well as continuation on the back page almost full page. Really nice to see large print areas spent on us little ole mechanics. Eye popping offer? Not really. Just the normal offers we always get spread out along 7 years is all, we were not greedy, just made whole it appears. Any hoot here it is, a great read...

How did Southwest Airlines and its mechanics strike such a ...

 

[B737 driver]

Now here is a very truthful article from DMN. Very well laid out time frame to say the least. Well informed information through the negotiations. All this was front page of business in Dallas Morning News as well as continuation on the back page almost full page. Really nice to see large print areas spent on us little ole mechanics. Eye popping offer? Not really. Just the normal offers we always get spread out along 7 years is all, we were not greedy, just made whole it appears. Any hoot here it is, a great read...

How did Southwest Airlines and its mechanics strike such a ...

Just finally got our back pay. I predict probably pass 78 to 80 %. You always have the 20%, no matter what, sometimes less.

 

[swamt]

Just finally got our back pay. I predict probably pass 78 to 80 %. You always have the 20%, no matter what, sometimes less.

Yes. And with the latest events and Max issues it will pass this time around. Just glad to see us all getting made whole for the past 6.5 years. Didn't want to let the company get by with pennies on the dollar this time and now no longer in the future. They will know now up front no matter how long they drag nego's out they will have to make us whole at the end. And it probably will help stop future delays in future contracts now that they will know up front that they will not get us on the cheap any longer.

 

[swamt]

Hey driver, hearing of a lump one time payout for the retro. Last time they had it in two payments spread over 2 different years. This time one time payout for full amount. Are you hearing the same or any different?
Also hearing that the rat. bonus is the last item to get done, all other stuff is complete for the AIP to become T/A. Still have no time frame for the T/A but expect by end of this week or early next week.
I will update you after tomorrow's meeting as promised.

 

[B737 driver]

Hey driver, hearing of a lump one time payout for the retro. Last time they had it in two payments spread over 2 different years. This time one time payout for full amount. Are you hearing the same or any different?
Also hearing that the rat. bonus is the last item to get done, all other stuff is complete for the AIP to become T/A. Still have no time frame for the T/A but expect by end of this week or early next week.
I will update you after tomorrow's meeting as promised.

They took a poll at my local in Chicago it was about split but a few more wanted it, in lump sum, you could always up your 401k to shield that money from taxes, or take some of it and start a Roth after the taxes are paid. I personally looked at is this way, I have waited almost 7 years,-so I perfer it all at once. Let me know how it goes in Dallas.

 

[swamt]

Looks like we are going to take a pretty good hit in this first quarter. When it rains it pours. 4 things will attribute to an about 1/4 billion hit, yes, that's 250,000,000,000. Per the article below they are saying the earlier gov. shut down, weather, unrest labor contensions, and of course the Max groundings will give SWA a 200-250 million hit on the bottom line. Might very well be one of our worst quarters in history. Might be a real good thing that our contract cost will be in another quarter.
I am amazed the stock did not take a dive over this news yet, was also up this morn after a 2.5% increase from yesterday.
I assume the investors are all waiting for the final outcome of the Max's, as well as waiting for the final numbers for the quarter...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/d76...331adc16c2/southwest-shares-rise-despite.html

 

[swamt]

They took a poll at my local in Chicago it was about split but a few more wanted it, in lump sum, you could always up your 401k to shield that money from taxes, or take some of it and start a Roth after the taxes are paid. I personally looked at is this way, I have waited almost 7 years,-so I perfer it all at once. Let me know how it goes in Dallas.

Will do.

 

[B737 driver]

Looks like we are going to take a pretty good hit in this first quarter. When it rains it pours. 4 things will attribute to an about 1/4 billion hit, yes, that's 250,000,000,000. Per the article below they are saying the earlier gov. shut down, weather, unrest labor contensions, and of course the Max groundings will give SWA a 200-250 million hit on the bottom line. Might very well be one of our worst quarters in history. Might be a real good thing that our contract cost will be in another quarter.
I am amazed the stock did not take a dive over this news yet, was also up this morn after a 2.5% increase from yesterday.
I assume the investors are all waiting for the final outcome of the Max's, as well as waiting for the final numbers for the quarter...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/d76...331adc16c2/southwest-shares-rise-despite.html

I still say we will make a profit in the first quarter. The ETOPS will help. Boeing has a fix for the Max, but I bet we don't get them back in service till the start of the second quarter. Then when we first get them back they will be as bad, as the 300s. You can't let Airplanes sit. I still think in 5 years, when all of this is behind us they might acquire someone like Spirit, just like they did Airtran.

 

[B737 driver]

Hey driver, hearing of a lump one time payout for the retro. Last time they had it in two payments spread over 2 different years. This time one time payout for full amount. Are you hearing the same or any different?
Also hearing that the rat. bonus is the last item to get done, all other stuff is complete for the AIP to become T/A. Still have no time frame for the T/A but expect by end of this week or early next week.
I will update you after tomorrow's meeting as promised.

Swampy little more info for you, talked to my union guy just down to the $160 million and how that will work. And yes from what I was told one lump sum. I will PM you the rest.

 

[swamt]

driver here's an update from the meetings today in Dallas:
Griev's will remain and not go away.
Lawsuits will go away if this 2nd offer is accepted, all of them.
Told 145.5 Million makes the membership whole. So 14.5 Million is over that. Distribution will differ between those two. The 145.5 will go to all who deserve including retirees, folks who have quit, blah, blah. The only ones not included are the ones removed for cause. The remaining 14.5 Million will be divided out with the current mechanic employees and as per year of service and since these nego started.
Look for a 60-90 day payout for the funds, just like they did last time.
Also told of 3 checks coming, 1- full retro from 2012-March 31, 2019. 2- another from 4-1 to DOS for the snap up. And another after they reserve the funds for the members that have been fired and waiting for final results to see if they get it, or, if they lose the case for continued employment, then those funds will go back to the members equally distributed.
AIP is currently being reviewed by the union for verifications and blessing. If AIP is not changed from the AIP when becoming a T/A the Dallas folks will recommend the offer to be voted in.
Company was set on having this done by May 31st. Being told it should be done by or between May 15-31st., the vote that is.
The percentiles of the first vote as well as the percentiles of the second vote coming, will be released IF this second offer is accepted by the membership. IF rejected, no numbers , just that it did not pass.
Once the NEC approves the T/A we will be voting on it within a week or so. Being told they may shorten the vote period time a bit to 3 weeks instead of the normal 4 weeks in order to try their best to maintain the May 31st timeline.
Also being told Kinder is setting up future meetings with all Presidents from all the locals to meet and talk about new and improved ideas to work together better in the future.
LOA 1 is remaining as is, with very slight changes from dates and length of new contract. LOA 2 is remaining untouched and getting into new contract. LOA 3 not sure (kinda forgot-sorry) LOA 4 will be a new LOA on the distribution of the 160 Million retro/back pay/bonus whatever anyone wants to call it.

As long as all highlights, bullet points, and promises made by Kinder, the NC, and the updates are true, I see and hear of a pass by Dallas. The IO will be troubled by some, but I don't think at this point it will stop it dead in its tracks.
They finally made us whole. We saved all scope % of outsourcing with only adding IO instead of USA outsourcing.
For some reason they are offering an overpay of about 15 million and I believe that is to kind of guarantee the vote passes on the IO. Saved all C-checks from going away. Saved from going to the impossible Scott Collins maint program that would have eliminated several lines, jobs and headcount later in the future.

Driver, I know this was long and hard for all of us. Now, I am very proud for voting NO on the first one. I know it was a risk, but I just thought it was the right thing to do at that time. I am sorry that some were put through a lot of anxiety of the no voters, but, hey, looks like it all turned out for the better. So let's all move on, get all the info, look it all over, and hopefully we will all vote this offer in. As much as I hated to wait this long, I am now thinking it was worth it and I only hope others do to.
Sorry for not PM you, but thought all would want this info to help the other airlines still in nego's. Cheers, and hope to see the ballot soon. Oh, BTW new ballot co. handling the votes now for us. TB was fired and I think it is called Election Buddy will now conduct our votes.
Sorry so long winded, but trying to pass on all info I can...

 

[B737 driver]

driver here's an update from the meetings today in Dallas:
Griev's will remain and not go away.
Lawsuits will go away if this 2nd offer is accepted, all of them.
Told 145.5 Million makes the membership whole. So 14.5 Million is over that. Distribution will differ between those two. The 145.5 will go to all who deserve including retirees, folks who have quit, blah, blah. The only ones not included are the ones removed for cause. The remaining 14.5 Million will be divided out with the current mechanic employees and as per year of service and since these nego started.
Look for a 60-90 day payout for the funds, just like they did last time.
Also told of 3 checks coming, 1- full retro from 2012-March 31, 2019. 2- another from 4-1 to DOS for the snap up. And another after they reserve the funds for the members that have been fired and waiting for final results to see if they get it, or, if they lose the case for continued employment, then those funds will go back to the members equally distributed.
AIP is currently being reviewed by the union for verifications and blessing. If AIP is not changed from the AIP when becoming a T/A the Dallas folks will recommend the offer to be voted in.
Company was set on having this done by May 31st. Being told it should be done by or between May 15-31st., the vote that is.
The percentiles of the first vote as well as the percentiles of the second vote coming, will be released IF this second offer is accepted by the membership. IF rejected, no numbers , just that it did not pass.
Once the NEC approves the T/A we will be voting on it within a week or so. Being told they may shorten the vote period time a bit to 3 weeks instead of the normal 4 weeks in order to try their best to maintain the May 31st timeline.
Also being told Kinder is setting up future meetings with all Presidents from all the locals to meet and talk about new and improved ideas to work together better in the future.
LOA 1 is remaining as is, with very slight changes from dates and length of new contract. LOA 2 is remaining untouched and getting into new contract. LOA 3 not sure (kinda forgot-sorry) LOA 4 will be a new LOA on the distribution of the 160 Million retro/back pay/bonus whatever anyone wants to call it.

As long as all highlights, bullet points, and promises made by Kinder, the NC, and the updates are true, I see and hear of a pass by Dallas. The IO will be troubled by some, but I don't think at this point it will stop it dead in its tracks.
They finally made us whole. We saved all scope % of outsourcing with only adding IO instead of USA outsourcing.
For some reason they are offering an overpay of about 15 million and I believe that is to kind of guarantee the vote passes on the IO. Saved all C-checks from going away. Saved from going to the impossible Scott Collins maint program that would have eliminated several lines, jobs and headcount later in the future.

Driver, I know this was long and hard for all of us. Now, I am very proud for voting NO on the first one. I know it was a risk, but I just thought it was the right thing to do at that time. I am sorry that some were put through a lot of anxiety of the no voters, but, hey, looks like it all turned out for the better. So let's all move on, get all the info, look it all over, and hopefully we will all vote this offer in. As much as I hated to wait this long, I am now thinking it was worth it and I only hope others do to.
Sorry for not PM you, but thought all would want this info to help the other airlines still in nego's. Cheers, and hope to see the ballot soon. Oh, BTW new ballot co. handling the votes now for us. TB was fired and I think it is called Election Buddy will now conduct our votes.
Sorry so long winded, but trying to pass on all info I can...

That's fine Midway is happy so I am sure we will pass. I have heard no complaints from BWI or ATL, I apologize to you and crowsfoot and others, it was rough but AMFA came through, and they deserve to stay. It feels good to get more involved , instead of just bitching. The New ALRs from Phoenix and Dan from Chicago made a difference. Also I would like to see Kinder become a guy in charge, and Landon gone.

 

[blue collar]

Swamt what do you mean about the 14.5m? It will be paid based on seniority, or will it be paid based on amount of time you were here after amendable? (Ie most of us would be credited for ~6.75 years) I’ve heard different things about the 14.5m, one being that it could be divided equally to all on payroll currently, it could be based on the ‘retro’ formula, and now what you mentioned. Just asking for clarity in what you’ve heard. Thanks

 

[B737 driver]

Swamt what do you mean about the 14.5m? It will be paid based on seniority, or will it be paid based on amount of time you were here after amendable? (Ie most of us would be credited for ~6.75 years) I’ve heard different things about the 14.5m, one being that it could be divided equally to all on payroll currently, it could be based on the ‘retro’ formula, and now what you mentioned. Just asking for clarity in what you’ve heard. Thanks

Blue from what I heard and Swampy can correct me the 14.5 million equal if you were here the whole 6.5 years. The rest shares will be based on actual time you were here after 2012. In other words a 1 year guy wouldn't get as much as you and I that were here the whole 6.5 years.

 

[blue collar]

Got it thanks driver