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Max 7, maybe who knows. What's you say we call a truce on all the back and forth.
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Our job protection is in our article 2 scope language. Paraphrasing, it’s says if the company outsources we can’t be laid off. Headcount per aircraft, IO is not going to effect our job protection. It definitely will effect future hiring. 8 lines of IO, not a fan of that, but the buzz is that 3 of those lines will end or sunset at a particular time. We already gave them back in 2012 4 lines, so if 3 of the 8 lines sunset, they gain 1 line of IO for a total of 5. That’s the way I’m looking at this without reading the ta. So, if the rest of the contract stays the same( you know, the old teamster language), and with the acceptable pay increase, I will consider voting yes.
Keep your hopes low, that way you will be pleasantly surprised at the end. LOL.
I agree dgaf. However I agree with him below, the third man that needs to go is LW. We will all see who is left after all this total fiasco of nego's taking almost freakin 7 years to get done.
Yes sir. LW is the one that announced he was here to "take back the airline" Where the hell did that come from? We will all see where that gets him in the long run.
If all this gets done and over with, here's what I see; Kinder takes VDV spot, LN gets booted, and LW gets demoted or also booted. Just my thoughts. But once again, we will see. Give it time.
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Well as far as I am concerned AMFA did their job, will everyone be happy, no. I would be satisfied if Kelly fired Landon Nickelodeon, and get that ex Northwest stab you in the back dude out of whatever is left of our culture. The rest you said Swampy would be a plus. Gotta get ready for my ETOPS class, basically call maintenance control.
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Check out this contribution to Forbes by Dan Reed. This guy absolutely despises AMFA.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...sive-deal-with-its-mechanics-to-end-feud/amp/
And “IF” you guys did finally get Militant I don’t think SWA Management left you with any choice after so many years of BS.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...sive-deal-with-its-mechanics-to-end-feud/amp/
And “IF” you guys did finally get Militant I don’t think SWA Management left you with any choice after so many years of BS.
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All the complaining and criticizing you've done toward AMFA since July 2017 and you finally reach that conclusion.
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I agree with you, AMFA did their job. Yes it took much longer than anticipated, but, at least they never caved early on with the dismantle of our scope.
Correct, not everyone will be happy.
At minimum LN (Nickelodeon-now that was funny, good one) will be gone, the rest as you say would be icing on the cake.
Read the article below with some of the figures in it and now the media is starting to say Southwest may have overpaid and will scare investors. It's not that they overpaid, it's all because they took this out way too far, and like I said from the very start, the longer SWA draggs this out the more it will cost them in the long run. At least the article does refer to SWA as letting it go too long. The blame on AMFA just needs to stop, as you stated, they did their jobs, it was just a nightmare fighting a company with billions upon billions to throw at media and their nego's propaganda machine. But for as small as AMFA is they sure did do a great job. They held their ground proudly...
Southwest Reached an Agreement with Its Mechanics
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AMFA is nothing more than the acronym you call yourselves. It wasn’t AMFA per se who finally got the job done, it was you guys who did it.
SWA Management FINALLY pushed you guys too far.
You guys did what you NEEDED to do to “force” Management to take you seriously and give you the deal you earned.
That’s why you have jack ass hack writers like Dan Reed so pissed off.
Hey, it was hard enough for him to admit it. I give him kudos for doing it publically on these forums. The weezal never will admit it.
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The media doesn't have the cost savings numbers that Southwest will realize from the language changes agreed upon. It hasn't been released yet. These are just uninformed, jealous journalists. Hindsight is 20/20.
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Crowsfoot you guys (AMFA) did a great job pressuring the Company to get to this deal. After ALL of the details come out and WHEN you ratify is when the WeAAsles will give you his big thumbs up and congratulations.
WOW!! Like I said, the weezal will never be able to admit AMFA did their jobs. Get over weez, AMFA is looking very good right now and it's killing you to see it.
It was in fact AMFA at the table that held their ground. We as AMFA mechanics did nothing of the sort as you suggest. We too were tired, broken, beat down and frustrated, but we did not give up or cave.
This idiot, Dan Reed, has no clue that there was another offer after the 14.8% and before the 20%. That offer was at 18.25%, so from the last offer it was less than a 2% increase where he is making it out like SWA jumped 5.2%, which is not the case.
He also has no clue how many a/c are still out of service and now with the Max's pulled these numbers have increased not diminished since the offer has come out, so again he has no clue what he is talking about.
He even goes as far and says the company caved. Not true either, they simply started to nego in good faith for a change, which is what AMFA has always complained about in the past. With the push from the FAA, the gov. mediators supervisors, as well as "the new guy" Kurt Kinder with motivation and authority from our CEO to get it done is all why this got done.
Simply put, the co. finally wanted to get it done, so it got done.
Let's all hope the IO language is good enough to vote this in, I am done waiting so long.
Not bad for little ole AMFA huh Weez? 20% plus 3% each outgoing years, with 160 million in retro (bonus) Now weez that's a 32-35% movement over the life of the 5 year agreement. That 20% is part of the 7 years they haven't given us raises for. So the numbers look a lot bigger than they really are. If you run it all out, up to April 1, 2019, it all averages out to 3% per year with a bonus of 2% extra for our long and patiently waited contract.
Weez, I can only hope that our offer helps AA mechanics get their ILC from the ass. when the time comes.
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