Wisconsin

[Dog Wonder]

Have you looked in the mirror?

Yea, I'm getting older.

How about you?

 

[delldude]

Yea, I'm getting older.

How about you?

Are we becoming older, yet wiser?

Define older.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Define older.

It is when you have a birthday.

 

[dapoes]

So now we know why the bill passing caught a lot of people off guard. In typical arrogant elitist liberal fashion the minority tried to dictate terms (while hiding in neighboring states).

How the Wisconsin Senate Passed Walker’s Bill
March 9, 2011 10:11 P.M.
By Christian Schneider

On Wednesday night, Wisconsin Senate Republicans did what most people thought impossible — they passed Governor Scott Walker’s budget-repair bill virtually intact, without having to split out controversial provisions that limited the ability for government employees to collectively bargain.

A letter Democrat Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller sent the governor today, indicating Miller’s unwillingness to further negotiate any details of the bill, was what prompted the GOP’s decision to take the bill to the floor.

“It was like, ‘I’m in the minority, and I’m going to dictate to you what your options are,’” said one GOP source about Miller’s letter. It was just three days ago that Miller had sent Fitzgerald a letter urging more negotiations, despite the fact that Governor Walker had been negotiating with at least two Democrat senators for nearly a week. “With his recent letter, it became clear that all he wanted to do was stall,” said the GOP source.

Another action that provoked the GOP senators to act was Democrat Senator Lena Taylor’s very public decision to have a spring election absentee ballot sent to her in Illinois. The spring election is scheduled for April 5th, which indicated Taylor’s desire to stay out of the state for another month. “That sure didn’t help,” said one GOP source.

 

[Kev3188]

So now we know why the bill passing caught a lot of people off guard.

It's passing isn't what has people caught off guard, but rather it's content. Remember, while he campaigned vigorously on a platform of budget reform, Walker never once brought up the stripping of bargaining rights.

As for the pissing match between the Walker camp and the Fab. 14, I'd say that there was never any hope for compromise in the first place. Sure, discussions were held, but I doubt Walker ever seriously gave them any kind of consideration. Add to that his ridiculing of Sen. Miller (and his letter to Walker) at a press conference, and you have a bridge not just burned, but obliterated.

Despite Walker's signature, this bill doesn't go into effect until at least 3/26, and I suspect it'll be tied up in court for awhile after that...

 

[joe mechanic]

Mitch Daniels did something shortly after taking office that was not part of his campaign platform: he unilaterally rescinded all collective bargaining rights of state employees and voided pre-existing contracts.

Walker somo samo as Mitch?

Funny, after all the crying went away, I think everyone saw the savings and did the unthinkable....RE-ELECTED HIM by some an eighteen point margin................duh.

 

[xUT]

So now we know why the bill passing caught a lot of people off guard. In typical arrogant elitist liberal fashion the minority tried to dictate terms (while hiding in neighboring states).

typical arrogant elitist liberal fashion



minority tried to dictate terms

You alienate people that might agree with some of your bull-hockey.

Throw some more spam and see if it sticks.

:wacko:

 

[SparrowHawk]

I've been doing a bit of reading and I think they are going to be quite a few disappointed people in WI as the aftermath unfolds. Several observations if I may.

Due to the manner in which the bill was passed, Scott Walker has created a lightning rod for every union issue known to man, real or imagined and WI is now the focal point, the line in the sand if you will.

http://www.truth-out.org/assault-collective-bargaining-illegal-says-international-labor-rights-group68423
http://www.nlg-laboremploy-comm.org/media/2011-03-11-NLG-Press_Release.PDF

NOTE: These sites are in no way unbiased, use the brain God gave you and figure it out for yourselves. They do provide some insight as to haw this debacle may end up, or at least how the battle will be fought.

The United Nations may stick its nose into this one and don't think they can't, because they can and frankly since we signed the UN charter it's now part of the law of the land.

Pertinent part of Article VI
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

This whole movement against public employee collective bargaining could be the Republican/Conservative Waterloo and IMO that would be bad for the country. Scott Walker IMO has done himself, the citizens of WI/US and the Republican Party a grave disservice in going about achieving his goals as he did. He has or is about to embroil his state in countless legal skirmishes, recall elections to the point where those costs may outweigh the savings generated from the legislation passed. Never mind that he stands a very good chance of losing those legal challenges. Meanwhile back at the school the kids suffer!

 

[dapoes]

I've been doing a bit of reading and I think they are going to be quite a few disappointed people in WI as the aftermath unfolds. Several observations if I may.

Due to the manner in which the bill was passed, Scott Walker has created a lightning rod for every union issue known to man, real or imagined and WI is now the focal point, the line in the sand if you will.

http://www.truth-out.org/assault-collective-bargaining-illegal-says-international-labor-rights-group68423
http://www.nlg-laboremploy-comm.org/media/2011-03-11-NLG-Press_Release.PDF

NOTE: These sites are in no way unbiased, use the brain God gave you and figure it out for yourselves. They do provide some insight as to haw this debacle may end up, or at least how the battle will be fought.

The United Nations may stick its nose into this one and don't think they can't, because they can and frankly since we signed the UN charter it's now part of the law of the land.



This whole movement against public employee collective bargaining could be the Republican/Conservative Waterloo and IMO that would be bad for the country. Scott Walker IMO has done himself, the citizens of WI/US and the Republican Party a grave disservice in going about achieving his goals as he did. He has or is about to embroil his state in countless legal skirmishes, recall elections to the point where those costs may outweigh the savings generated from the legislation passed. Never mind that he stands a very good chance of losing those legal challenges. Meanwhile back at the school the kids suffer!

Maybe, maybe not. Its a story that has to be sold to the American public and as it is there is definite union fatigue amongst the populous. The alternative of raising taxes to pay for said xxx programs at the expense of the tax payers really doesn't set well anymore. Its all going to come down to who's going to sell the better story IMO.

Their thunder has been also been derailed by events in Japan that are now dominating the news cycle.

 

[dapoes]

Mitch Daniels did something shortly after taking office that was not part of his campaign platform: he unilaterally rescinded all collective bargaining rights of state employees and voided pre-existing contracts.

Walker somo samo as Mitch?

Funny, after all the crying went away, I think everyone saw the savings and did the unthinkable....RE-ELECTED HIM by some an eighteen point margin................duh.

Very good point!

 

[dapoes]

When you have nutzos like this, their message has little chance of reversing the conservative resurgence in america.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Maybe, maybe not. Its a story that has to be sold to the American public and as it is there is definite union fatigue amongst the populous. The alternative of raising taxes to pay for said xxx programs at the expense of the tax payers really doesn't set well anymore. Its all going to come down to who's going to sell the better story IMO.

Their thunder has been also been derailed by events in Japan that are now dominating the news cycle.

Agreed! It's likely going to come down to who has the best most believable sales pitch.

Right now at least it's not the Walker camp. Japan is dominating the news cycle, as it should IMO. That raises the question of who benefits from that in WI?

Walker, IMO needs to keep his eyes and ears open and his mouth shut for about the next two weeks and quietly go about building support statewide and even internationally as we will see some level of international comment on this situation as it unfolds.

I've also seen some pretty ugly poll numbers for the "Recall 8" if the elections were held today something like 6 of the 8 would not win reelection. Backfire is a word that comes to mind

 

[dapoes]

New TV ads to run in WI

 

[P. REZ]

New TV ads to run in WI

Seriously,

You are either very rich or one of the dumb crowd as I like to call the tea party, conservatism etc. Get a clue in life. Go pull statistics on the state of the middle class in America and then check what is happening to Unions in America. If Unions go away so goes the middle class. Quit drinking the kool-aid and use your noggin. WTF, are people that work for a living going to figure out their plight if the rich get their way or is the brain-washing too far gone. Think before you spew another one of the many stupid articles I've read of yours.

 

[delldude]

Seriously,

You are either very rich or one of the dumb crowd as I like to call the tea party, conservatism etc. Get a clue in life. Go pull statistics on the state of the middle class in America and then check what is happening to Unions in America. If Unions go away so goes the middle class. Quit drinking the kool-aid and use your noggin. WTF, are people that work for a living going to figure out their plight if the rich get their way or is the brain-washing too far gone. Think before you spew another one of the many stupid articles I've read of yours.

With Obama and socialism, there is no middle class, so where unions fall into place?

Unions maybe 12%................Amerika wants it that way.