Why there will never be a T.A.

[NYer]

Sucks living with that possibility

Doubt it will happen, but it part of the equation to consider.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ironic how the TWU was the only LAA Group not to sign off on the language for binding Arbitration that the Pilots and Flight Attendants agreed to and here we are come September having lived under the entire Bankruptcy agreement (Minus improved wages)

It’s as if it was always intended to be this way?

 

[ALUS78]

Well Al all I’m doing here is giving my buddy NYer more ammo to criticize me if I’m wrong but you know I’ve always been an unwavering cockeyed optimist anyway.

I don’t think this week but I think they will present final offers and we will vote on them before going into the formality of Section 6.

What’s your opinion?

Something to vote on in a few short weeks with minor inprovements on proposal .But I too thought this would be over 6 months after th he merger.I didn't think the company was going to ask for concessions our first joint

 

[ALUS78]

Doubt it will happen, but it part of the equation to consider.

When you work in a station like that it is the main topic in the breakroom everytime a suit comes you get a pain in your stomach

 

[WeAAsles]

Something to vote on in a few short weeks with minor inprovements on proposal .But I too thought this would be over 6 months after th he merger.I didn't think the company was going to ask for concessions our first joint

These Companies are going to be asking for concessions against our contracts particularly in the area of jobs long after you and I have been planted and forgotten into the ground Al.

 

[ALUS78]

Ironic how the TWU was the only LAA Group not to sign off on the language for binding Arbitration that the Pilots and Flight Attendants agreed to and here we are come September having lived under the entire Bankruptcy agreement (Minus improved wages)

It’s as if it was always intended to be this way?

They didnt need us for the merger

 

[Racer X]

OK. They out 10 holidays at 2.5.

Do you believe we could change that to 7 days a 2x so we can adjust something somewhere else?

Making the 10 and 2.5 numbers public it has basically caked those numbers as the base or an agreement with the Members that have seen it. The same holds true for the other things.

That being the case, what can be changed within a comprehensive proposal to move towards the airline positions as would be expected in Section 6.

I’m saying...if that weee the case....then From the beginning before a TA is reached on any particular article ....like holidays, why wouldn’t the company just publicly make an offer and then according to what you are stating we couldn’t change it? It’s not just about the Airlines proposals. We also have proposals. So if we publicly state we are getting $40.00 DOS, 5 year too out, 20% 401k, etc.. are you saying the company couldn’t do anything about it?

 

[WeAAsles]

They didnt need us for the merger

Well you gained much of your improvements in 2014 for your Standalone which you deserved having gone through many of your own hits even before we went through ours.

But there are still some synergies that they can’t complete until we have JCBA’s in place.

 

[WeAAsles]

I’m saying...if that weee the case....then From the beginning before a TA is reached on any particular article ....like holidays, why wouldn’t the company just publicly make an offer and then according to what you are stating we couldn’t change it? It’s not just about the Airlines proposals. We also have proposals. So if we publicly state we are getting $40.00 DOS, 5 year too out, 20% 401k, etc.. are you saying the company couldn’t do anything about it?

Touché

 

[ALUS78]

Well you gained much of your improvements in 2014 for your Standalone which you deserved having gone through many of your own hits even before we went through ours.

But there are still some synergies that they can’t complete until we have JCBA’s in place.

Peanuts, dont forget for the umpteenth time US and AW pilots never had a joint

 

[ALUS78]

I’m saying...if that weee the case....then From the beginning before a TA is reached on any particular article ....like holidays, why wouldn’t the company just publicly make an offer and then according to what you are stating we couldn’t change it? It’s not just about the Airlines proposals. We also have proposals. So if we publicly state we are getting $40.00 DOS, 5 year too out, 20% 401k, etc.. are you saying the company couldn’t do anything about it?

Maybe that's why you never saw the unions proposal

 

[Racer X]

"...
Those stations will remain staffed, with TWU represented Fleet Service employees, so long as the annual departures are at or above 2555 from the effective date of this agreement up to the day prior to the amendable date...Beyond the amendable date, Article 1(c) will apply."

1(c) "The Company will continue to assign American Airlines TWU represented employees in classifications designated by the Company to all stations wherein such TWU represented employees are assigned currently with 5475 and above annual departures..."

As of the last look back, there are 4 stations under the 5475. Of the 4, 1 has no IAM in the station so it can be outsourced outright. The other 3 may be protected by the cross-utilization agreement but only those hired before 08.04.16 are protected.

All this of course is predicated on their use of the word "will" and the belief if it's there, they'll use it.

I actually saw that before I asked you where the language is. That does not say “will outsource”
I says Will remained staffed....so long as.....
That means they have the ability to outsource those stations. Vastly different than Will outsource. I also believe, in most cases where the company has the ability to do something...they more often exercise that right..

 

[Steve Walegir]

When you work in a station like that it is the main topic in the breakroom everytime a suit comes you get a pain in your stomach

To be honest here in ATL most people don't know about it so it rarely comes up in discussion. I highly doubt they will do it but I'm certain in some level of meetings it has/will be brought up. Why not use or threaten to use all your available weapons in time of waar

 

[Racer X]

Racer I’m assuming that you mean much further down the line in the process under Section 6 with perhaps Congressional intervention the Association could be forced to put something out for a vote?

Otherwise under what Law or signed agreement could the Association be forced?

I agree with you Weaas, under section 6.. I don’t believe they can be forced prior to that.

 

[WeAAsles]

Peanuts, dont forget for the umpteenth time US and AW pilots never had a joint

Yea but I think on that it was because of all the drama that really wasn’t the fault of the Airline per se? They were basically stuck in the middle of it.

AA/US made sure to avoid that East West bear trap a second time.