Why there will never be a T.A.

[B737 driver]

I never said they want to use attrition on the maintenance side of the house.

To me, if they want to offer a buyout then that's fine. If they don't want to offer a buyout then that's fine too. Not advocating for it in one way or another, although there are many Members that are looking forward to it.

I'd imagine the IAM side would change their support a buy-out if their medical was saved so it would have a better chance to pass as would the maintenance guys if it mean their outsourcing numbers would come down. Right now, neither of those sides wants a deal so they'll oppose anything that helps a JCBA pass with those features in it. Understandably.

Ok sorry I miss understood on attrition. So in your opinion how long do you see this going on. I certainly hope you don't go as long as we do. If it is an o.k.deal, do you think it will pass. What was the last contract you guys rejected that wasn't bankruptcy related?

 

[Racer X]

A team of 2, 5, 12 or should 17,000 also get a say.

The team of whatever the number is that we’re elected to make those decisions. Unless of course you think there should be 17,000 at the negotiating table.

 

[AANOTOK]

Sorry Racer, but there is not one individual that went to last weeks negotiations or will be sitting in these upcoming negotiations that I elected.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorry Racer, but there is not one individual that went to last weeks negotiations or will be sitting in these upcoming negotiations that I elected.

Technically you did. You or your Membership directly Elected the Officers of your Local who in turn selected the Delegates who in turn voted for the John Samuelsen ticket which included now Association Chairman Alex Garcia.

Same principle as how the Electoral College voted in my/our current POTUS.

 

[NYer]

Ok sorry I miss understood on attrition. So in your opinion how long do you see this going on. I certainly hope you don't go as long as we do. If it is an o.k.deal, do you think it will pass. What was the last contract you guys rejected that wasn't bankruptcy related?

It's been a while since Fleet rejected a vote mostly because of a lack of opportunity. It's usually our maintenance group that rejects the initial votes on their CBA.

 

[AANOTOK]

Technically you did. You or your Membership directly Elected the Officers of your Local who in turn selected the Delegates who in turn voted for the John Samuelsen ticket which included now Association Chairman Alex Garcia.

Same principle as how the Electoral College voted in my/our current POTUS.

W, that is the biggest spin I have ever seen in this forum...NO I DID NOT CAST ONE VOTE FOR ANYONE. But if you always feel you need to be right...whatever you say dude, whatever you say!

 

[Racer X]

Sorry Racer, but there is not one individual that went to last weeks negotiations or will be sitting in these upcoming negotiations that I elected.

Alex wasnt elected by the TWU members? Mayes and Andre were elected. ( not sure if they were there) But the point being made is... the decision not to move fwd without each other in negotiations was made by whoever was there. Those that were/are there had to be elected at some point by somebody. Those that are there are the committee. Why have a committee to make those tough decisions, if that committee would need to poll 17,000 on everything?
If that were the case, We quite literally wouldn’t be past bulletin boards and the preamble yet.

 

[AANOTOK]

Alex wasnt elected by the TWU members? Mayes and Andre were elected. ( not sure if they were there) But the point being made is... the decision not to move fwd without each other in negotiations was made by whoever was there. Those that were/are there had to be elected at some point by somebody. Those that are there are the committee. Why have a committee to make those tough decisions, if that committee would need to poll 17,000 on everything?
If that were the case, We quite literally wouldn’t be past bulletin boards and the preamble yet.

Nope, my voting stops at the local level.

 

[Racer X]

Sorry Racer, but there is not one individual that went to last weeks negotiations or will be sitting in these upcoming negotiations that I elected.

Are your saying that the people there are not the same people that you voted for? If this is the case, I guess the majority spoke? Are you saying that you did not vote at all? If this is the case, then I’m not sure what you’re point is.
Are you saying that the TWU just appointed anyone ( people who held no elected position) to the NCs? If this is the case, I didn’t know that.

 

[WeAAsles]

W, that is the biggest spin I have ever seen in this forum...NO I DID NOT CAST ONE VOTE FOR ANYONE. But if you always feel you need to be right...whatever you say dude, whatever you say!

I didn’t vote for Trump or the Republican Party to have control either but I accept that was the choice of the American people and I’m not joining the ranks of any of those resist movements or crying over my choices not winning the day.

I actually don’t have a problem with accepting that I can’t control everything even if of course I wish I could.

 

[WeAAsles]

Are you saying that the TWU just appointed anyone ( people who held no elected position) to the NCs? If this is the case, I didn’t know that.

Everyone who is and has been part of the Negotiations on the TWU side held or holds an elected position.

 

[Racer X]

Nope, my voting stops at the local level.

That’s what I thought. So with 6 presidents there, ( I thought somewhere you said you are from DFW) then B Oyer was there and then replaced by W Fa. ( maybe neither of these gentlemen were your choice, but the majority in Dfw voted them in)

 

[WeAAsles]

It's been a while since Fleet rejected a vote mostly because of a lack of opportunity. It's usually our maintenance group that rejects the initial votes on their CBA.

And the Company tied us to them with one vote that if any group voted no then all offers were null and void.

Talk about falling into one nice big trap to crush future Unity.

 

[Racer X]

Everyone who is and has been part of the Negotiations on the TWU side held or holds an elected position.

That is what I thought. Thank you.
So the point of who was there last week is not in sync with what I said about who made the decision to move forward or not move forward in solidarity with all groups.

 

[AANOTOK]

Are your saying that the people there are not the same people that you voted for? If this is the case, I guess the majority spoke? Are you saying that you did not vote at all? If this is the case, then I’m not sure what you’re point is.
Are you saying that the TWU just appointed anyone ( people who held no elected position) to the NCs? If this is the case, I didn’t know that.

One more time. The folks who are doing the negotiations face to face right now with the company (I think they are known as the Executive Committee) were not elected by me. I did not have the opportunity to vote any of them. It really is a simple answer to a simple statement. Our system is not set up like your IAM...Now if you're asking me did I get to vote for some of the NC who did negotiate the Bulletin Board and Preamble articles, sure Fa was on the ballot I was able to vote on.