Who Takes Pit And Who Take Phl When It Is All Over

[workin4U]

u know what guys . no one will get $#!t ,cause us will survive this. stop the whole wn crap . i am tired of reading about wn getting phl and all that jazz. usairways will survive this . just wait and see. its so funny how all you non us employees are so waiting for us to go under so that your companies can come in and grab like vultors. these are peoples jobs we are talking about . worry about your own gd airline. american isn't doing so hot the last time i heard. freaken learn how to land an md-80 . then we can talk .

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etops1
When I read the forums on this board, it pi$$es me off to see so many comments about the pending demise of US by employees of other airlines. The remarks almost seem like the writers are salivating and hoping for the worst. Years past, the employees in this industry treated each other like family. No one ever acted giddy when employees and companies were having trouble. That's no longer true. Now they just gloat about not having the same problems as US employees. What happens in this industry is out of the control for most of the posters on this board. For anyone to act like their smarter or better than US or it's employees is irritating and disapointing.
There's even a certain group of US employees who post and appear to be hoping for a shutdown. Frankly, I'm sick of all the negativism.
Personally, I will do everything I can so the detractors, whiners, gloaters and negative employees don't get their wish.
Last weekends events were embarrassing for every hard working dedicated US employee. I won't allow some short sighted, self centered bums who don't want to show up for work when scheduled drag the rest of us through the gutter. If it means I have to volunteer some of my time and spend a day or two in PHL to reduce the fear of our customers, so be it.
For those happy about the problems at US, I promise not to act the same way when you find yourselves in our situation. Afterall, I'll already know how your feeling.
I congratulate all the dedicated US employees. Those who clean and maintain the aircraft, load bags, take tickets, front end and back end flight crews and everyone one else out of the public eye who show up when their suppose to and give our customers the best service they can. I hope in six months, life is considerably better for the employees and we can begin to again enjoy where we work.
Best wishes in the new year.

 

[WorldTraveler]

workin,
Many carriers in the industry have been salivating at the prospect of a US demise for years. You are in denial if you don't recognize that the fittest in the business world survive and the rest are thrown to the scrap heap. While I believe people like you should fight with everything in you for US' survival, US has done more to make many of the other airlines' desires to move into US prime markets come true than anything any of the other carriers could possibly do.

As I read these guesses as to who will pick up US markets and assets, I think many people will be surprised at how aggressively the solvent four legacy airlines will move in on US markets if US does in fact fail. AA, CO, DL, and NW all have business plans which are intended to keep them viable and which seem to address many of the systemic problems such as pricing and inefficient operations that have plagued the legacy airlines. Those four airlines also recognize the danger to their futures that will result if they allow LCCs to continue to grow and take some of the prime industry markets and assets. Those four legacy airlines will not give up those assets without a fight. AA and NW have both just recently renegotiated nearly a billion dollars of debt each. AA, NW, and DL all have substantial slot holdings at DCA. CO holds a big trump card in the ownership of US' LGA terminal that could prevent LCC expansion at LGA. DL already is a strong number 1 or 2 at most of the east coast airports and has the resources to take advantage of opportunities - including an agreement with GE to place at least 12 CRJs at Delta. Given DL's recent decision to place the EMB 170 into its network, DL would be in a very good position to support the placement of additional 170s at DL Connection carriers such as Republic. DL also has a new and much larger terminal opening in BOS in just months. NW has the advantage of operating A320s which could provide them with a significant advantage to US' creditors should NW be willing to take some of those A320s in order to gain some of US' route and terminal assets. There is little that NW could acquire that would be duplicated with what NW already has or if NW pursues a merger with CO down the road. Although competing PHL/EWR hubs could be problematic, PHL could provide a significant additional amount of NE capacity that will be needed as EWR moves closer to saturation.

More importantly, those four airline have the freedom of not being in bankruptcy that allows them to invest in their businesses (which includes acquiring assets intended to strengthen their businesses). UA simply does not have that freedom or luxury without obtaining the approval of creditors and the BK court.

ALl of these means that US employees have to fight like all get out over the next few months if they want to keep their airline afloat. It also says that the rest of the industry is more than capable of absorbing US' assets. Ultimately, creditors and the government are more interested in seeing that assets can be profitably redeployed and that airports and customers continue to receive service. Neither the government or creditors have any real preference for any particular airline as long as these two needs are met.

 

[FlyUs]

While DAL may be moving into a newer terminal in BOS, I don't believe it is "much" larger , in terms of the # of gates, than what they alreaday have. When they do move their shuttle operation from terminal B in Bos, US will have authority for 3 additional gates for a total of 21.

 

[deltawatch]

The government turned down the USAir, United merger because they recognized it was an attempt to dominate market and keep employee wages and ticket prices high and not address the real issue of cost. The government is using 911 difficulties and government back loans to reshape the industry for the good of United States consumers. Once USAir and United prove they can operate at 7 or 8 cents per mile the merger is approved and the pressure shifts to anyone with higher cost. DL, AA.