silverbird007
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This will be very interesting, I think it will be close but I predict the AFA will win.
Which FA union will be voted in?
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ContUNITEus
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GOD FORBID...
With over 2 times the amount of F/A's at AA, why would there even be a vote? I predict that AFA won't contest it and just step aside quietly after they conclude a JCBA and seniority agreement. If we do vote, it won't even be close. APFA will win all day, everyday. You can count on it. Thats the only logical outcome.
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is this for after the merger closes for the f/a to vote for representation or change unions?
Haven't AFA and APFA worked closely in the past on various legislative matters like advocating OSHA protection for FAs, security training following 9/11, and things of that nature? Between more AA FAs, US FAs fed up with AFA, and US FA apathy I too imagine APFA will prevail. The CWA is propping AFA up, if it ends up like this all AFA will really be left with is AS & UA along with a few regional carriers.
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I would assume after the merger closes. How long? Who knows. I can't see how APFA loses a representation election with such a large disparity in members. Contrary to the belief on here, the vast majority are very happy with APFA. Plus, they already know the devil they deal with on a daily basis and we all hear about how crappy AFA is. Besides, why would you want to send your union dues to the CWA? It's like voluntarily subjecting yourself to an organization like the TWU. No thanks.
Yes, they do work together on mutual interests and they are both part of the F/A coalition.
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silverbird007
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I don't think the AFA will just walk away, look at DL they still haven't given up, UA seems to have done pretty good with AFA not sure why US hasn't. I know each airline is different but the UA fas get double time for holidays, real pay protection at the end of the month, ((actually I believe its line protection) they are not perfect, but they do have staffed offices at the major hubs, so at least you can talk to someone without leaving a message and hoping to get a phone call returned. Anyway maybe we will get a chance to vote. Don't count on AFA just throwing in the towel without at least a vote. I'd like to see a union that will at least respond to your phone calls. I don't expect any union to be at my beck and call, but at least return a phone call. There is a reason APFA is in AAs back yard. (Actually a few miles away but most of fa's know what that means)
I'd be happy with that.
I'm PHX based US, and AFA has been a complete failure for us.
I'm not talking about the individuals at the local level who volunteer and do the best they can, but, overall? Very poor leadership and representation from the national level, and contract negotiations were a complete JOKE. Also don't appreciate the fear tactics. I'd vote for APFA myself.
I was worried that perhaps AA FAs were just as unhappy with their union as many of us are with ours, and that would swing the vote the other way.
Reassuring to hear your confidence in your union.
The one big positive about AFA is they do have a very strong voice in Washington when issues affecting all FAs across the country come up. They can be a good advocate.
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I second that afa66 was just.... no words to describe... afausairways... well, who really knows, but they appeared as strong the guys from united.
But just from seeing how the politics worked over at the AWA side, I strongly urge for APFA to get into phoenix and somehow grab the managers necks and twist them - literally.
Afa66 has (for decades) not dared to stand up against the evil management concentration that exists in PHX; but I sure hope that someone with some guts will finally put an end to the terror that AWA management has caused out there.
AFA is a united union and will always be - the united union.
You can see it even at alaska, that AFA just isn't the same - it's weak.
Keeping the inhouse APFA is the best choice
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silverbird007
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For some reason AFA seems to work good for United, maybe just luck? I don't know. I guess we will get to vote? Do US fas get holiday pay? We don't get any holiday pay at AA. We also have foreign nationals all over South America who don't get furloughed, even while the TWA fas were furloughed. Also its kinda hard to get in touch with the APFA (at least my experience). If APFA is better then than the AFA then don't expect too much.
