When Obamacare is repealed - a couple of questions

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

keeptheodds made the statement that pretty much made all of those comments. But you can answer...if socialized costs were where all this started, why do prescription drugs in countries with "socialized costs" so much less expensive than they are here?

A portion of your socialized cost is paying off politicians to keep the status quo. It's a rigged game meant to enrich a few people. Socialized cost and privatized gains. That is why.

KCFlyer do you remember the discussion we had about Oklahoma using the education system to springboard an ask (more taxes, the lottery, casinos) with the promise the funds would eliminate the Oklahoma education shortfalls? Remember how we discussed as soon as they got what they wanted (more money) they just defunded the education system from another source? Rinse and repeat.

How about the Social Security fund the politicians have ripped off over the years?

You really think having socialized healthcare (along with the increased taxes that will come with it) is going to solve the healthcare issues in this country?

Think again. It will only turn into another mismanaged mess like everything else in this country the government touches. The cost will be great and the benefit will be sub par.

If socialized healthcare worked so well you would not have all the countries YOU listed cutting Billions of dollars from their healthcare budget.

That my friend is what you call government rationing of healthcare.

Is that what you really want?

 

[Dog Wonder]

Medical care being a rigged game meant to enrich a few people is a product of corporations.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Medical care being a rigged game meant to enrich a few people is a product of corporations.

Lets talk about some other products of corporations. Cars, TV's, computers, furniture, appliances, I could go on and on.

I don't see you complaining about those while you type on the corporate manufactured device you use to post on these forums.

Corporations also provide jobs. If corporations are so vile feel free to quit your job. I mean you don't want to be part of the problem right?

 

[southwind]

The real question is why don't you move to Canada, France or Finland to get your healthcare?

 

[KCFlyer]

The real question is why don't you move to Canada, France or Finland to get your healthcare?

I am perfectly willing to live here and pay whatever I have to pay for health care. According to the dear leader and republicans, they are going to roll back Obamacare and the high costs associated with it and replace it with something great....something that will cover everybody, save money, and..ahem....let you keep your doctor. . So how about addressing my question....how much do you expect to save once Obamacare is repealed?

 

[Dog Wonder]

I could go on and on.

I hope I didn't hurt a corporation's feelings saying health care is rigged in their favor.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I hope I didn't hurt a corporation's feelings saying health care is rigged in their favor.

If you did I am sure you will hear about it from some PC libtard.

 

[Dog Wonder]

I just did.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Then why can I go to socialized Canada (or France, England or Finland) and pay a fraction of the price I would pay here for the same medication?

Complete bull poop. Try getting a liver at 6 in those countries. Highly unlikely as most of the systems place a higher value on transplanting younger patients due to the higher rate of survival and lower number of complications. A dear friend of mine died in Canada waiting for a liver while waiting in line for an open slot to be treated with drugs and a surgical procedure that would have prolonged her life long enough to get a liver. It's called triage and/or rationing.

So tell me what is YOUR life worth?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

If socialized healthcare worked so well you would not have all the countries YOU listed cutting Billions of dollars from their healthcare budget.

That my friend is what you call government rationing of healthcare.

Is that what you really want?

Complete bull poop. Try getting a liver at 6 in those countries. Highly unlikely as most of the systems place a higher value on transplanting younger patients due to the higher rate of survival and lower number of complications. A dear friend of mine died in Canada waiting for a liver while waiting in line for an open slot to be treated with drugs and a surgical procedure that would have prolonged her life long enough to get a liver. It's called triage and/or rationing.

So tell me what is YOUR life worth?

I think you and I are wasting our time SparrowHawk. These fools don't have a clue.

If they did the slightest bit of research they would see all of these countries with socialized medicine are cutting there budgets by BILLIONS of dollars because socialized healthcare is simply unsustainable. Their little liberal brains just can't accept the reality of it.

 

[KCFlyer]

I think you and I are wasting our time SparrowHawk. These fools don't have a clue.

If they did the slightest bit of research they would see all of these countries with socialized medicine are cutting there budgets by BILLIONS of dollars because socialized healthcare is simply unsustainable. There little liberal brains just can't accept the reality of it.

And the reality in the US is that most people rely on their employer to pay for their health insurance. How about we stop having our employers pay for our health insurance an rely on the free market....the theory goes that if we did that, our employers, in their generosity, would take the money they had been spending on healthcare and put it in our paychecks (if you believe that, I've got some land in Florida I'm willing to sell you)...allowing us to shop the free market and drive prices down. And then Congress can pass a law allowing a Los Angeleno to purchase insurance from a company selling policies based on healthcare costs in Boise Idaho...that will bring down costs (for some, Idahoans would most likely see an increase as their company is now paying for healthcare in Los Angeles). On other boards a guy was whining because his his "premium" for family coverage doubled....from $100 to $200. He was absolutely clueless about how much his company was providing him.

But you are right....socialized health care is unsustainable. So tell me...once we roll back Obamacare, how much to you expect to save?

 

[KCFlyer]

Complete bull poop. Try getting a liver at 6 in those countries. Highly unlikely as most of the systems place a higher value on transplanting younger patients due to the higher rate of survival and lower number of complications. A dear friend of mine died in Canada waiting for a liver while waiting in line for an open slot to be treated with drugs and a surgical procedure that would have prolonged her life long enough to get a liver. It's called triage and/or rationing.

So tell me what is YOUR life worth?

My life and the life of my family is priceless. Which is why I wonder why so many bitched about Obamacare. Sounds like THEY are the ones who want "something for nothing". Oddly enough, a coworker (a gal who is 64) just got a kidney transplant last week. She was on the waiting list for 4 years. I don't know much about the transplant arena, but it SEEMS like kidneys are far more common than livers, yet it took her 4 years to get one in Kansas. Could other "more viable" candidates have received one before her?

But you are talking apples and oranges. My post was talking about prices for medications. Drugs that sell for a thousand dollars a month here can be obtained in Canada for under $100 per month...mostly due to government intervention....socialized medicine if you will. But so far, no health care bill sponsored by either party will permit the government to negotiate the price of medications. Because that is "too commie. And what is the response to a high priced medication here? Usually something like "how much is your life worth to you".

 

[SparrowHawk]

All transplant wait times are dependent on several factors.
1. Matching blood typetotally
2. Organ specific data. (Liver priority is determined by MELD Score)
3. The country is divided into regions by UNOS https://www.unos.org/transplantation/matching-organs/
4.The time to transplant depends totally on the number of donors. Certain regions have different wait times and people Who live near Oschner Memorial in New Orleans and Mayo Clinic in MY are the quickest

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

But you are right....socialized health care is unsustainable. So tell me...once we roll back Obamacare, how much to you expect to save?

If you admit socialized healthcare is unsustainable then what difference does it make how much I expect to save?

To answer your question I don't expect to save anything. The damage is done (thanks to a bunch of liberals wanting something for nothing). Repealing it will only result in a slower increase in cost.

Don't think for a second that in a single payer environment the US government is beyond letting people suffer and die to "encourage" the acceptance of tax increases.

It will be just like the Oklahoma education system. They will ask for taxes to "fix" the problem but, the problem will NEVER get fixed.

My life and the life of my family is priceless.

Then why support what you know (and I have proven) will lead to government rationing of healthcare?

All the countries you listed have slashed BILLIONS from their healthcare coverage.

That my friend is government rationing.

Now let me ask you a question since I answered yours. Do you think the people living in those countries that had their healthcare budget slashed by billions are going to pay lower taxes?

Which is why I wonder why so many bitched about Obamacare.

The only thing Obamacare did for me was raise my insurance cost. Why would I be happy about being forced to burden the cost of a liberal ideology I know is unsustainable and doomed to fail?

Sounds like THEY are the ones who want "something for nothing"

Mind explaining that comment?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

My life and the life of my family is priceless. Which is why I wonder why so many bitched about Obamacare. Sounds like THEY are the ones who want "something for nothing". Oddly enough, a coworker (a gal who is 64) just got a kidney transplant last week. She was on the waiting list for 4 years. I don't know much about the transplant arena, but it SEEMS like kidneys are far more common than livers, yet it took her 4 years to get one in Kansas. Could other "more viable" candidates have received one before her?

But you are talking apples and oranges. My post was talking about prices for medications. Drugs that sell for a thousand dollars a month here can be obtained in Canada for under $100 per month...mostly due to government intervention....socialized medicine if you will. But so far, no health care bill sponsored by either party will permit the government to negotiate the price of medications. Because that is "too commie. And what is the response to a high priced medication here? Usually something like "how much is your life worth to you".

So what is your answer then KCFlyer? I have shown you every country you listed that has socialized medical care is slashing their budgets by billions of dollars. You have admitted socialized medicine is unsustainable.

If you don't want a privatized system and you agree socialized medical care is unsustainable then what do you want?

Do you even know?