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What will the AA majority demand the US employees concede?

No, I do not. I'll defer to you and nycbusdriver, as your reasoning may be more sound, but it looks like we agree on one thing: in a merger, PHL is not likely to be "STL'd" the way STL was. Philly is a gigantic metro area that supports a lot of airline traffic, and US dominates that airport.

Proximity to NYC isn't going to mean that the world's largest airline (if US and AA combine) will choose one or the other. As I'm sure we all agree, the proposed merger isn't about slashing capacity like in the old days - it's about growth and becoming larger.

As Ted Reed wrote recently, if PHL is cutback, it won't be due to a merger - it will be due to overly ambitious and expensive building projects that threaten to bust the budget.

I was at Parker's presentation at USAPA headquarters. According to him, they have no intention whatsoever of cutting back PHL or CLT. As stated, JFK is saturated and according to Mr. Parker, not worth a damn for connections. Same scenario with MIA and CLT. On a side note, the increased revenue we would pick up in medium sized cites with a combined LCC/AA is staggering. If those numbers are confirmed, it will paint a revenue picture that would make the combined airline a force to be reckoned with.

Driver...
 
the increased revenue we would pick up in medium sized cites with a combined LCC/AA is staggering. If those numbers are confirmed, it will paint a revenue picture that would make the combined airline a force to be reckoned with.

Driver...

No doubt ....
 
So why hasn't the deal happened even before AA's BK filing?

Where is the StarAlliance defensive posturing in hopes of retaining LLC in the Alliance?

Where are the UAL overtures trying to retain the codeshare benefits?

Why didn't LCC become the Global carrier of choice your past CEO's designed?

If LCC is such a hot commodity, why was Parker screaming for consolidation until he was muzzled via the NDA?

Could it be that the believers might be wrong?


TWA and the STL hub were supposed to make AA wildly profitable, all while the treasure chest of route authorities were going to catapult AA to unimaginable wealth. And some things just don't work out....

If this merger concept is such a slam dunk, then why hasn't it happened?

Could it be because there may be a better way for AA to move forward?
 
So why hasn't the deal happened even before AA's BK filing?
Because Horton and his band of merry men stand to split an enormous amount of money if they can get AA out of bankruptsy court as a stand alone. Doesn't matter what happens after that...their pockets are full.
Where is the StarAlliance defensive posturing in hopes of retaining LLC in the Alliance?
Where are the UAL overtures trying to retain the codeshare benefits?
Because a 3 way (United, American and Delta) keeps capacity in line and makes the other carriers of no serious consequence.
Why didn't LCC become the Global carrier of choice your past CEO's designed?
They either didn't have a clue how to run a company that size (Colodny, Schofield) or were satisfied to rape the company(Wolf). They had no vested interest in the long term vialbility of the company once "they had theirs".
If LCC is such a hot commodity, why was Parker screaming for consolidation until he was muzzled via the NDA?
Because capacity restraints and profits go hand in hand. He sees an opportunity...Horton hears a who.
Could it be that the believers might be wrong?
Anything is possible.
TWA and the STL hub were supposed to make AA wildly profitable, all while the treasure chest of route authorities were going to catapult AA to unimaginable wealth. And some things just don't work out....
It didn't work for TWA. Why would it work because you changed the name on the place?
If this merger concept is such a slam dunk, then why hasn't it happened?
Ask Horton.
Could it be because there may be a better way for AA to move forward?
Like I said, anything is possible BUT, without a significant change in the revenue picture, AA can't sustain itself on the proposed cost structure (based on what I saw at the presentation) for any length of time. Also, the proposed increases in capacity can't do anything but make the profit outlook worse. But it sure preaches good, doesn't it?

Driver...
 
Your statement is misleading. While I am not particularly keeping count as you seem to be, most of those rulings you are citing have NOTHING to do with the seniority list. The east has lost ONE court ruling on seniority, after which they won on appeal in a higher court which nullified the loss. In the recent suit in Judge Silver's court, she dismissed both the company's and west west pilots' motions, and upheld USAPA's motion.

Please explain how this amounts to losing one court ruling after another on the seniority issue with which you opened your post?

Because you won only on ripeness, not merit. Your union was warned that is stands on tenuous ground should it stray from the Nic. As proof, your union has done nothing to move DOH forward.

It was made extremely clear that the Nic is it unless you have a legitimate union purpose to move off of it.

You don't and you haven't.
 
You're an idiot and you need a better lawyer. Now take it back to the pilot thread, A hole.
 
Federal Law doesnt require employees to vote on which union they will join after a merger.

If a union is more than 35% of the total workforce they will get the certification unless the other union gets 35% of cards signed by the combined workforce to force an election.

There was no election at US for the IAM or TWU for fleet service nor was there one for Mechanic and Related between the IAM and the IBT.

TWU is the worse but the IAM is no better. As for the Teamsters? I would keep the TWU before voting for the Teamsters. So if I had a choice and AMFA was not one of them it would be a tie between IAM or NO union at all. I doubt it will come to a vote. One union will concede because AMFA is a threat. Many are just tired of industrial unions dictating to the membership without say.
 
Because Horton and his band of merry men stand to split an enormous amount of money if they can get AA out of bankruptsy court as a stand alone. Doesn't matter what happens after that...their pockets are full.


I was talking about the fact that there was no merger prior to AA's BK. If this is such a home run, why didn't it happen prior?

Because a 3 way (United, American and Delta) keeps capacity in line and makes the other carriers of no serious consequence.

Does not compute from a competitive perspective. DAL want to kill its competition, as does UAL. Should we believe in the tooth fairy too?

They either didn't have a clue how to run a company that size (Colodny, Schofield) or were satisfied to rape the company(Wolf). They had no vested interest in the long term vialbility of the company once "they had theirs".

So what happened next? If all the parts are there for the global carrier of choice,..... where is it?

Because capacity restraints and profits go hand in hand. He sees an opportunity...Horton hears a who.

He sees his last hope....

Anything is possible.

You betcha!

It didn't work for TWA. Why would it work because you changed the name on the place?

TWA was supposed to add assets and mass..... Ring familiar?

Ask Horton.

I was asking you.

Like I said, anything is possible BUT, without a significant change in the revenue picture, AA can't sustain itself on the proposed cost structure (based on what I saw at the presentation) for any length of time. Also, the proposed increases in capacity can't do anything but make the profit outlook worse. But it sure preaches good, doesn't it?

NDA info? How does Parker know what the new cost structure is? Absolutely love your altruistic position there too 'driver

Driver...
 
TWU is the worse but the IAM is no better. As for the Teamsters? I would keep the TWU before voting for the Teamsters. So if I had a choice and AMFA was not one of them it would be a tie between IAM or NO union at all. I doubt it will come to a vote. One union will concede because AMFA is a threat. Many are just tired of industrial unions dictating to the membership without say.

His post about the 35% raises some questions.

It's hard to figure out our total number from the seniority roster, but the best I can guess is US has around 4000 to around 4500 IAM represented Maintenance members. How many TWU represented Maintenance members does AA have?

And if there were a merger, would that number meet the 35% to make the TWU the surviving union representing the combined group?
 
His post about the 35% raises some questions.

It's hard to figure out our total number from the seniority roster, but the best I can guess is US has around 4000 to around 4500 IAM represented Maintenance members. How many TWU represented Maintenance members does AA have?

The US Airways 10-K says that US has 3,200 FTE IAM-represented mechanics, stock clerks and related. Even after the restructuring, AA will still have about 8,000 or more.
 
So that's where you got the numbers. I was way off. Our senority roster shows more than 3500 Mechanics alone.

So without a calculator, if a merger would take place the TWU would be the representing union of the group? (Maintenance)

3200 + 8000 = 11200 x 35% = 3900
 

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