What do we do Now?
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ITRADE
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On 6/10/2003 10:43:37 AM NAPAUS wrote:
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Well s**t, marketing and management attempted to resolve it by flying CRJ-705s....However, a certain work group has attempted to poo-poo the idea. Maybe you should complain to the work group first.On 6/10/2003 10:43:37 AM NAPAUS wrote:
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On 6/10/2003 9:03:20 AM Hope777 wrote:
With JetBlue''s announcement today adding the EMB190 into there fleet, how are we going to defend our market place. With very little respect for our Marketing Department, how are we going to be able to compete?
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Guaranteed our marketing dept(or lack of it) will do, as usual....NOTHING! They dont have a clue as to what to do with this mess of an airline we work for. 23 years here and never ever seen a mess like this..Dave Siegel came here to break the contracts and put us in Chpt 11...he will be gone in a few years...then what will happen..who knows...So So very sad...On 6/10/2003 9:03:20 AM Hope777 wrote:
With JetBlue''s announcement today adding the EMB190 into there fleet, how are we going to defend our market place. With very little respect for our Marketing Department, how are we going to be able to compete?
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oldiebutgoody
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On 6/10/2003 9:49:59 AM passed_over wrote:
maybe now the mainline pilot group MEC will get the 75 seat CRJ''s into the wholly owned subs and get them online to defend U''s territory and put more of the furloughed pilots back to work via the J4J program
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what you meant to say, I guess, was to make MORE mainline pilots furloughees so that they can take another 60% paycut to fly an RJ via the j4j program, right? This company HAS NO WORKABLE PLAN. ALL THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IS DOWNSIZE. WOULDN''T WORK BEFORE, WON''T WORK NOW!On 6/10/2003 9:49:59 AM passed_over wrote:
maybe now the mainline pilot group MEC will get the 75 seat CRJ''s into the wholly owned subs and get them online to defend U''s territory and put more of the furloughed pilots back to work via the J4J program
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maybe now the mainline pilot group MEC will get the 75 seat CRJ''s into the wholly owned subs and get them online to defend U''s territory and put more of the furloughed pilots back to work via the J4J program
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On 6/10/2003 9:03:20 AM Hope777 wrote:
With JetBlue''s announcement today adding the EMB190 into there fleet, how are we going to defend our market place. With very little respect for our Marketing Department, how are we going to be able to compete?
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Guaranteed our marketing dept(or lack of it) will do, as usual....NOTHING! They dont have a clue as to what to do with this mess of an airline we work for. 23 years here and never ever seen a mess like this..Dave Siegel came here to break the contracts and put us in Chpt 11...he will be gone in a few years...then what will happen..who knows...So So very sad...On 6/10/2003 9:03:20 AM Hope777 wrote:
With JetBlue''s announcement today adding the EMB190 into there fleet, how are we going to defend our market place. With very little respect for our Marketing Department, how are we going to be able to compete?
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ITRADE
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On 6/10/2003 1:40:47 PM FM2436 wrote:
JetBlue Chief Executive David Neeleman said the move was designed to allow the carrier to fly to destinations not efficiently served with its existing Airbus A320 fleet, possibly including destinations outside the United States for the first time.
"We can reach into Canada if we want to, we can go into Mexico, we can go into the Caribbean," Neeleman said in a press conference. "There are so many market opportunities."
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Let's have a round of applause for David "Locutus" NeelemanOn 6/10/2003 1:40:47 PM FM2436 wrote:
JetBlue Chief Executive David Neeleman said the move was designed to allow the carrier to fly to destinations not efficiently served with its existing Airbus A320 fleet, possibly including destinations outside the United States for the first time.
"We can reach into Canada if we want to, we can go into Mexico, we can go into the Caribbean," Neeleman said in a press conference. "There are so many market opportunities."
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On 6/10/2003 9:03:20 AM Hope777 wrote:
With JetBlue''s announcement today adding the EMB190 into there fleet, how are we going to defend our market place. With very little respect for our Marketing Department, how are we going to be able to compete?
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On 6/10/2003 9:03:20 AM Hope777 wrote:
With JetBlue''s announcement today adding the EMB190 into there fleet, how are we going to defend our market place. With very little respect for our Marketing Department, how are we going to be able to compete?
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I''m definitely no marketing genius, but this clearly looks like JB is going to use the RJs to go into prime US territory in the northeast. So what would I do?
1) acdelerate (if possible) the delivery of the RJs
2) ads taking shots at JB with statements like: "hey, somebody brags about flying modern A320 jets (or RJs). Guess what, we''be had & operated those places for years"
3) point out that you could still take people to places where JB can only dream of (via * codeshares, etc.)
4) point out the superior FF program
5) get rid of the complex fares/restrictions/charges/surcharges so that US is more attractive / simpler option
6) emphasize that you offer more than cattle class
7) if all else fails, install live tc and start dispensing blue chips and blue kool-aid on all flights
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Heck, the EMB190 is far from an Jungle Jet. The 190 has 7inches more headroom, seat twice as many passengers then the 145 (so it costs less to operate). It also can fly over 500NM further then what we will compete with. Also the cabin is over 2 feet wider which will allow for wider seats. I do not know about anyone else, but with the poor Marketing Department at USAirways, this could signal the end of USAirways. The 190 is going to kill the Hub-N-Spoke Airlines.
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The EMB-190LR has a maximum takeoff weight of 110,893 pounds, has a range of 2,300 nautical miles, and has a dual class configuration of 8 first and 86-coach class seats (96 total) or 98 seats in a single class configuration.
The EMB-195LR has a maximum takeoff weight of 111,973 pounds, has a range of 1,800 nautical miles, and has a dual class configuration of 8 first and 98-coach class seats (106 total) or 116 seats in a single class configuration.
These aircraft a more like an A318 than a RJ, even though they are built by one of the two leading RJ manufacturers. In relation to previous US Airways mainline aircraft, the F100 was configured for 8 first and 91-coach class seats (99 total), thus the EMB 190 series is about the same size or larger than the F100.
JetBlue is moving away from one of its strengths of operating a single fleet type and will see its costs increase with this move. The order is not being favorably viewed by Wall Street where JetBlue shares are down more than 5 percent on worries that it could dent its low-cost structure. Today J.P. Morgan analyst Jamie Baker said, "Multiple fleet types add complexity. Complexity typically invites higher costs."
The JetBlue order does not start for two years until 2005 and US Airways will add about 125 RJ's during that period with about 56 of those EMB-170/175's, which will be operated at MidAtlantic Airways CASM. US Airways has about a 2-year jump on developing its Large RJ network on JetBlue, the airline will develop FFP loyalty during its head start, and has network carrier benefits, while it continues to restructure and lower its CASM.
Furthermore, if an acceptable agreement can be reached between ALPA and US Airways there could be up to 55 CRJ-705s operated by US Airways Group during the same timeframe.
In my opinion, US Airways will have the ability to compete with the JetBlue RJ order, but there will be intense competition.
In addition, US Airways will have its two new alliances complete by 2005, where the company expects over $200 million per year in increased revenue from the domestic alliance and about $75 million in increased revenue from the Star alliance per annum by the time the first JetBlue EMB-190 arrives.
Also noteworthy, US Airways Employee Relations has provided ALPA with a solution to the CRJ-705 issue, but it's to early to tell whether or not this proposal will bring the parties together.
Best regards,
Chip
The EMB-195LR has a maximum takeoff weight of 111,973 pounds, has a range of 1,800 nautical miles, and has a dual class configuration of 8 first and 98-coach class seats (106 total) or 116 seats in a single class configuration.
These aircraft a more like an A318 than a RJ, even though they are built by one of the two leading RJ manufacturers. In relation to previous US Airways mainline aircraft, the F100 was configured for 8 first and 91-coach class seats (99 total), thus the EMB 190 series is about the same size or larger than the F100.
JetBlue is moving away from one of its strengths of operating a single fleet type and will see its costs increase with this move. The order is not being favorably viewed by Wall Street where JetBlue shares are down more than 5 percent on worries that it could dent its low-cost structure. Today J.P. Morgan analyst Jamie Baker said, "Multiple fleet types add complexity. Complexity typically invites higher costs."
The JetBlue order does not start for two years until 2005 and US Airways will add about 125 RJ's during that period with about 56 of those EMB-170/175's, which will be operated at MidAtlantic Airways CASM. US Airways has about a 2-year jump on developing its Large RJ network on JetBlue, the airline will develop FFP loyalty during its head start, and has network carrier benefits, while it continues to restructure and lower its CASM.
Furthermore, if an acceptable agreement can be reached between ALPA and US Airways there could be up to 55 CRJ-705s operated by US Airways Group during the same timeframe.
In my opinion, US Airways will have the ability to compete with the JetBlue RJ order, but there will be intense competition.
In addition, US Airways will have its two new alliances complete by 2005, where the company expects over $200 million per year in increased revenue from the domestic alliance and about $75 million in increased revenue from the Star alliance per annum by the time the first JetBlue EMB-190 arrives.
Also noteworthy, US Airways Employee Relations has provided ALPA with a solution to the CRJ-705 issue, but it's to early to tell whether or not this proposal will bring the parties together.
Best regards,
Chip
JetBlue Chief Executive David Neeleman said the move was designed to allow the carrier to fly to destinations not efficiently served with its existing Airbus A320 fleet, possibly including destinations outside the United States for the first time.
"We can reach into Canada if we want to, we can go into Mexico, we can go into the Caribbean," Neeleman said in a press conference. "There are so many market opportunities."
"We can reach into Canada if we want to, we can go into Mexico, we can go into the Caribbean," Neeleman said in a press conference. "There are so many market opportunities."
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On 6/10/2003 2:06:01 PM ITRADE wrote:
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-----------------------------------------------------------On 6/10/2003 2:06:01 PM ITRADE wrote:
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On 6/10/2003 1:40:47 PM FM2436 wrote:
JetBlue Chief Executive David Neeleman said the move was designed to allow the carrier to fly to destinations not efficiently served with its existing Airbus A320 fleet, possibly including destinations outside the United States for the first time.
"We can reach into Canada if we want to, we can go into Mexico, we can go into the Caribbean," Neeleman said in a press conference. "There are so many market opportunities."
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Let's have a round of applause for David "Locutus" NeelemanOn 6/10/2003 1:40:47 PM FM2436 wrote:
JetBlue Chief Executive David Neeleman said the move was designed to allow the carrier to fly to destinations not efficiently served with its existing Airbus A320 fleet, possibly including destinations outside the United States for the first time.
"We can reach into Canada if we want to, we can go into Mexico, we can go into the Caribbean," Neeleman said in a press conference. "There are so many market opportunities."
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LOL, Trade!
"You will be assimilated> Resistance is futile."
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On 6/10/2003 2:41:07 PM Chip Munn wrote:
US Airways has about a 2-year jump on developing its Large RJ network on JetBlue, the airline will develop FFP loyalty...
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On 6/10/2003 2:41:07 PM Chip Munn wrote:
US Airways has about a 2-year jump on developing its Large RJ network on JetBlue, the airline will develop FFP loyalty...
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I''m really, really hoping that you said that because you have inside information that BBB is being shown the door...
