US posts another record profit!

[700UW]

For all of you who claim to be so smart that you don't even know Section 6 negotiation process works.

The NMB controls it, not the IAM, and like I have stated M&R has asked to be released back in June with no response from the board.

 

[737823]

You are truly clueless about the process, go back under your bridge.

Which bridge would that be? How am I clueless about the process? Is it not true the IAM has allowed and facilitated the company in prolonging the process?

Josh

 

[psa8979]

700 don't bother with these IDIOTS who think they no something about how it works for Union Workers under the RLA and dictated by the NMB . Facts don't matter to them. Here's a trivia ? for those TEA BAGGER AIRLINE JUNKIES that think they no anything about Labor History/CB in America. What would have changed for Union Workers if Senate Bill 55 would have become law ?

 

[USA320Pilot]

I thought the IAM has had a Transition Agreement and a Section 6 contract since the AWA-US Airways merger closed. Is that not correct? If I'm wrong it's hardly lying.

I strongly believe that by opposing US Airways' strategic plan and trying to blackmail or extort a contract will not work. It never has at US Airways or AWA. And, the RLA supports management. Meanwhile, instead of taking a bite out of the apple time goes on and IAM members suffer the time loss of money. And, maybe, just maybe it would be better to get a contract now and then take another bite of the apple during JCBA talks, if the proposed merger proceeds.

But, that's not my point. My point is I believe working with management instead of opposing management would lead to a new contract sooner. Personally, if somebody pizzes in my boots I'm not going to be too understanding of their position or have a lot of energy to help them.

But, if somebody scratches my back I'm more than inclined to scratch their back.

With that said if the IAM wants to not publicly support the merger, and in my opinion, increase the time they get a new contract by their M&A opposition that is certainly their choice, which I support. And, I bet a lot of other employees would support that too as the IAM helps their profit sharing checks grow.

 

[Kev3188]

700 don't bother with these IDIOTS who think they no something about how it works for Union Workers under the RLA and dictated by the NMB . Facts don't matter to them. Here's a trivia ? for those TEA BAGGER AIRLINE JUNKIES that think they no anything about Labor History/CB in America. What would have changed for Union Workers if Senate Bill 55 would have become law ?

Oh hey; haven't you heard? Everyone knows what's best for you- just ask 'em...

(sarcasm, of course)

 

[700UW]

As far as the IAM talks - the IAM and its members better hope the merger proceeds or I believe they will have their current contract could be in place for a long time. By the way...this is the IAM's third contract since the AWA - US Airways merger. The pilots have not had a raise after the merger closed and have only seen pay cuts since Bankruptcy 1.

I thought the IAM has had a Transition Agreement and a Section 6 contract since the AWA-US Airways merger closed. Is that not correct? If I'm wrong it's hardly lying.

Your are wrong again, the IAM hasnt had three CBA's since the merger.

There was ONE, can you understand the word ONE, Transition Agreement since the merger, thats all, nothing else.

Section 6 negotiations have been going on for over 2 years since the amendable dates on all three CBAs that the IAM has at US Airways, Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Maintenance Training Specialists.

So please show us how three CBAs have been negotiated, voted on and enforced.

You really need to educate yourself.

 

[nycbusdriver]

700 don't bother with these IDIOTS who think they no something about how it works for Union Workers under the RLA and dictated by the NMB . Facts don't matter to them. Here's a trivia ? for those TEA BAGGER AIRLINE JUNKIES that think they no anything about Labor History/CB in America. What would have changed for Union Workers if Senate Bill 55 would have become law ?

Do you even know the difference between "no" and "know"?

This is an web-based forum, not Twitter or SMS.

 

[psa8979]

I'm waiting TEA BAGGER AIRLINE JUNKIES . So far i have only only heard from busdriver (probably a pienut ) about my grammar and how it disturbs him of using NO (tea baggers favorite word ) instead of KNOW. Senate Bill 55 ? Anybody ?

 

[UPNAWAY]

I think Delta's results actually prove the mergers case. Stronger revenue power and employees paid more. The DOJ case seems to be based solely on ticket prices will rise, which is likely true but not really germane.

 

[blue collar]

And at US they get 6 weeks of vacation, 10 holidays, and 10 comp days if you take 1 1/2 on a holiday instead of 2 1/2.

And all IAM members have a DBP, you don't have that at DL and lots of things that can't be changed.

Once again you have to mention DL in a US thread.

Can you actually stick to The topic at hand instead of talking about DL?

And you wonder why people give you crap.

I know that you know EVERYTHING IAM related to M&R at US - but you apparently don't know that they don't get 2.5x pay on holidays. It's straight time, plus 8(or 10) hours holiday pay - and if you comp that, then it's only straight time on a holiday. If you work after your shift, you then go back down to 1.5x (or up to if you comp'd the day). Just FYI

 

[psa8979]

The IAM will only support a merger when it benefits the Membership. My bet is if WE were released by the NMB for SELF HELP (strike for those that need help) LCC/DP would have TA on the table ASAP. They ALL worship on the alter of $/power and don't give a RATS ASS ! about people or family. Contracts NOW ! Contracts for ALL !

 

[robbedagain]

Usa last time I check my union contract book it has 08 npthing since no contract improvments scope wage etc no support for merger

Up how do u think the dl case helps us n aa merger im notnsure I understand

 

[FWAAA]

I think Delta's results actually prove the mergers case. Stronger revenue power and employees paid more. The DOJ case seems to be based solely on ticket prices will rise, which is likely true but not really germane.

What do you mean, "not really germane?" "Stronger revenue power" means that prices will rise, no? And higher prices are precisely the point of the antitrust laws. The Clayton Act prohibits mergers which would substantially lessen competition or tend to create a monopoly because of the "stronger revenue power" and the resulting higher prices for consumers.

I hope that you're on the witness list for the upcoming antitrust trial. You admit that it's "likely true" that ticket prices will rise.

Your ignorance is astounding.

 

[WorldTraveler]

UPNAWAY,
you might want to check a few facts before you jump to the conclusion that sheer size results in better revenue.

Two numbers will do:

Consolidated passenger yield: (the amount of revenue per mile that an airline collects from paying passengers, expressed in cents, here including mainline and regional operations)

DL- 16.85
US - 16.75
AA - 16.36
UA - 15.96
WN - 15.94

And the second number - mainline CASM ex-specials, fuel, profit sharing (the base cost to fly a mainline seat for one mile, also in cents).

Both of these sets of statistics are for the 3rd quarter of 2013; all of the network carriers have reported this data in the past week.

WN - 7.80
DL- 7.96
US - 8.08
AA - 8.48
UA - 8.75

Yes, there are some mileage adjustments that can be made because airlines that have shorter haul operations tend to have higher CASMs and RASMs.
As you know, UA has the longest average passenger length among US carriers followed shortly by DL because of the large Pacific operations both carriers have.
AA is next followed by US and then WN.

But notice that the second figure, costs, tells an even bigger story because the "distance" between the top number (revenue) and the bottom number (cost) very closely correlates to profit.

Thus, DL even though it was not the largest carrier had both higher revenues and lower costs. WN had lower revenue than the network carriers but much lower costs.

US is in a pretty good position with respect to both numbers relative to their peers.

AA is not as strong on either number as DL or US but better than UA.

And then poor UA has the highest costs but the lowest revenue among the US int'l carriers.

Size doesn't translate to profits or even revenues. If size were the sole factor, UA should be doing much better than they are.

The ability to maximize revenues and control costs is the solution to financial success in any business.

ON that basis, US will be trading their current position, even if it has limited growth potential, for a less advantageous position with the merged AA.

The good thing for AA and US is that they are better off than UA; the bad news is that they are both beat by other carriers including DL and the low fare carriers.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I think Delta's results actually prove the mergers case. Stronger revenue power and employees paid more. The DOJ case seems to be based solely on ticket prices will rise, which is likely true but not really germane.

When it comes to the DOJ boogeyman that "ticket prices will rise," someone needs to point out that in terms of real dollars, the rise of ticket prices is LONG overdue. There needs to be some historical references on ticket prices from 5, 10, or even 20 years ago, with adjustments on cost-of-living vs today. The traveling public has been spoiled by cheap tickets available during the turbulent periods when there was a new airline seemingly every week and no one could make a profit (except off the backs of their employees.)