Us Airways Proposes Adding 60 Planes

[A320 Driver]

The pilots will cave in first, they always do since they have the most to lose. Of course Pollock has opened a dialogue. What are his options? Play hardball like the AFA or IAM? No way! ALPA will meet in closed session, agree to give productivity and pay concessions for the 3rd time and then they will put pressure on the rest of the unions to follow suit. More pilots furloughed as a result. All union leaders jobs will be safe however. Sad but true. ALPA contiues to lose on all fronts while blaming the commuters and LCC's for bringing down the pilot profession. Those LCC / commuter pilots are the same ones that were sacraficed and then abandoned by ALPA.

I see the company "divide and conquer" strategy was not wasted on you. Are the sacrifices made by the mainline pilots of no value, or are you just crying in your beer today? Everyone at this airline has a story to tell of hardship and sacrifice. Yours is no different from anyone elses. Stop Blaming ALPA for your problems. We didn't create this situation. We just react to it the best we can.

A320 Driver B)

 

[ITRADE]

or are you just crying in your beer today?

Do ya think its Schlitz, Blatz, or Old Milwaukee???

 

[Bluestreaking]

"Schmitt's Gay" :unsure:

 

[Light Years]

:down: Excuse me?

 

[700UW]

ORD is not a slot controlled airport anymore, has not been for several years, only LGA and DCA.

 

[AOG-N-IT]

"We just react to it as best We can"

How true...Cuz as it's clearly pointed out , you do in fact have the most to lose in this situation. Hince a "Cave in" is in the cards on your behalf. I would expect nothing less from USA320Driver most of all.

I do believe the other groups on the property can see with 20/20 vision that adding 10 , 20 , 30 , 40 , 50 or even 60 Acft to the fleet? , will do nothing to aid in retaining or adding to our ranks.

The average IAM'er is also quick to note that no menton has been made regarding what this mythical 60 Acft figure is going to do for us in these little fireside chats. We are also quick to note that the company has not reversed their position on working the current Airbus fleet.....and we are waiting for the hook to come on allowing the outsourcing of any added Acft just to make the ALPA membership alone a little happier.

Talk about "divide and conquer" being in high gear....They may divide...but don't count on the conquering part. Anyone whom is not a pilot here is going to be paying real close attention as to whom is going to be getting the perks in this situation...and whom will be getting the deep probe with a pointed end of the proverbial stick.

60 added Acft may retain a better part of the current Non-ALPA workers here , cuz it will in fact , or should I say should help retain "Line Mechanics" numbers....but the Mechanics in Heavy Maintenance will be paying close attention as to what best serves their future..and that of the remnants of what this industry had to offer.


Sure the goal is to keep U aloft...but if you sell yourself out , only to benefit those whom have always had the absolute most to gain as usual....You have to stop and ask yourself a question. "What's the point in it for me?" <_<

 

[700UW]

Very well said AOG.

It seems the pilots are always the first group to give in.

Did the same in 1992, and then three times with the current concessions. The company has always played the divide and conquer tactics and used it very well, some people just can't see thru all the BS.

 

[Doc]

How do you get additional flights and no bodies to work them.
Does this management even have a clue on what it takes, man power wise to make it work......

Keep an eye on the on time stats for boston on Saturdays from the 9th on.
The agents there will be hard pressed to get any thing on time.
And even if they by chance got them prossed they would never get them through security half the time only one area is open because they are to short staffed and the one that is open doesn't even have enough TSA to open all......

But I'm sure management has it all under control...

I hope that the employees who left to go work for TSA as managers and such will have a JOB when the goverment realizes that they can't afford it any more and it will have to go back private .....

Always lines lines lines ........no help.............................

 

[ITRADE]

What did they add?

 

[Light Years]

This thread sits right in the middle of two others discussing adding 60 planes and another about added service.

 

[BillLumbergh]

Yeah.....I have to agree.

OK....Its moving to the 60 plane thread.

 

[Doc]

Well, If your going to move my post you could at least tell me.
I had a heck of time trying to figuring out what happend to it.
Thought I was going crazy........

Added to Boston ..

another SJU
CUN
NAS
AUA

Might me 1 or 2 others but I will have to check......All morning departures

 

[ITRADE]

Nice to see some reinforcements in the BOS market. I'm guessing these are timed to allow for connections from PQI, BHB, ALB, SYR, and the rest?

 

[Doc]

My biggest problem with all of this is that U should have been going after market share for years in Boston they could have flown MCO TPA PBI MIA .....all of this time now they go after AUA CUN SJU NAS.......but all of these flights go out before 730am the am push is going to be crazy .......

 

[AOG-N-IT]

Nice to see some reinforcements in the BOS market. I'm guessing these are timed to allow for connections from PQI, BHB, ALB, SYR, and the rest?

Very Likely Itrade...but the big benefit is the better utilization of the Acft over the course of the weekend , when the Shuttle operation is reduced. This is one of the more intelligent moves they are making.

Going back to the real subject at hand in this thread. Should the U Executives present a scenario that will benefit all the laboring groups regarding the addition of any number of Acft? I'd be the first to say , that We as labor would be nuts not to listen and embrace this situation. However , if this is linked to only ALPA gaining and not protecting the interests of everyone? I would expect everyting presented to be met with staunch resistance. The Executive branch is entirely to blame for this position...as any objective and thinking person should be able to understand.

U's record of breaking or selectively ignoring all or parts of the negotiated contracts has spawned every bit of shyness and reluctance that they are met with....Once bitten , twice shy baby !!!