Us Airways Fear February Liquidation

[bobcat]

AP Tech

I need to correct a little something that you said at the beginning of this topic. You said, as many others keep saying, "no matter how much the employees give". The employees are not GIVING anything! It is being TAKEN! What really irked me was the newspaper articles that came out when Lakefield announced that he was filing the motion last Fri. for "emergency" pay cuts. He said that he really didn't like ASKING the employees for more paycuts. Well that was really a deceptive statement. He is not ASKING, he is TAKING against their will!

 

[cavalier]

AP Tech

I need to correct a little something that you said at the beginning of this topic. You said, as many others keep saying, "no matter how much the employees give". The employees are not GIVING anything! It is being TAKEN! What really irked me was the newspaper articles that came out when Lakefield announced that he was filing the motion last Fri. for "emergency" pay cuts. He said that he really didn't like ASKING the employees for more paycuts. Well that was really a deceptive statement. He is not ASKING, he is TAKING against their will!

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That logic "assumes" they were yours to begin with, were they? Are they? Where does it say certain amount of wages for life? Is it stamped on your birth certificate? What guarantee was promised you? Who told you life was easy and this sort of thing “just doesn’t happenâ€￾? Children do the same thing when a fellow playmate picks up their “assumedâ€￾ toy and they start crying. Welcome to life too bad it took this long to figure out it’s not even close to being fair.

 

[FA Mikey]

That logic "assumes" they were yours to begin with, were they?

[post="185373"][/post]​

YES, signed by both the union and the company in the CBA

Are they?

[post="185373"][/post]​

Again YES

Where does it say certain amount of wages for life?

[post="185373"][/post]​

Technically it does. The CBA sets an amenable date for the agreement. Because airlines fall under the RLA. he CBA never expires, only becomes amenable.

Is it stamped on your birth certificate?

[post="185373"][/post]​

Dont be rediculous

What guarantee was promised you?

[post="185373"][/post]​

The signed agreement between the company and the union. Thats why it cannot be just taken away. It must be negotiatied, or removed by a federal court.

Who told you life was easy and this sort of thing “just doesn’t happenâ€￾?

[post="185373"][/post]​

I am guessing no one. All the people I know at U and in the industry have a track record to prove that

Children do the same thing when a fellow playmate picks up their “assumedâ€￾ toy and they start crying. Welcome to life too bad it took this long to figure out it’s not even close to being fair.

[post="185373"][/post]​

So you are saying, what? The employees at U are like small children. There jobs are like toys and when their pay is being taken they are nothing but cry babies. That is a very insulting analogy.

 

[700UW]

Very good post FA Mikey!

 

[cavalier]

YES, signed by both the union and the company in the CBA

Again YES

Technically it does. The CBA sets an amenable date for the agreement. Because airlines fall under the RLA. he CBA never expires, only becomes amenable.
Dont be rediculous

The signed agreement between the company and the union. Thats why it cannot be just taken away. It must be negotiatied, or removed by a federal court.

I am guessing no one. All the people I know at U and in the industry have a track record to prove that

So you are saying, what? The employees at U are like small children. There jobs are like toys and when their pay is being taken they are nothing but cry babies. That is a very insulting analogy.

[post="185400"][/post]​

I am saying no such thing and you know it.

The U employees have been getting screwed with a steady stream of crap no one should endure. THAT was NOT the point.

It's life pal! You know where absolutely nothing goes as you "want" it to.

You can sing any kind song and dance and quote all kinds of this and that, it's moot. You know it I know it and anyone of sound mind knows it too.

U is “probablyâ€￾ going to become history and fast, NO ONE knows.

But people should be able to make up their own individual minds on what to do, how to act without the interference from union talking heads on here trying to explain life to you and how you should listen to them and them only and if you don't you are up for the Darwin Award you are so stupid.

This is very serious stuff which every U employee is facing and it should be left to each and every individual to do as they see fit minus all the noise generated by people who think they know how to run your life but can’t run their own. Such thinking is known as socialism.

 

[MrAeroMan]

One thing is for sure. Contrary to the constant diatribes and chest thumping that goes on here by some, the unions are not going to save you from anything and they aren't going to deliver you anything either except maybe a late notice on your dues.

 

[cavalier]

One thing is for sure. Contrary to the constant diatribes and chest thumping that goes on here by some, the unions are not going to save you from anything and they aren't going to deliver you anything either except maybe a late notice on your dues.

[post="185425"][/post]​

Short and sweet to the point--- AMEN!

Unions are NOT bad, nor is ever individual in management.

What is, "IS". Each and every U employee must react and do what is in their own personal best interest, not for some other union in a different carrier or even industry so "they" can be safe from what the U employees lived with. A messily 13 percent of the American work force being union will not change the working man’s world, and neither are politicians going to save your job at U, or even your pensions. I never said nor implied this doesn’t suck big time or that it was right, but it, "IS".

Just like around here where tons of people lost everything in the floods, homes, business, and everything personal they owned. Yesterday these poor souls and business owners were told there is "NO" money from the federal government to help them, they are on their own. So people in "real honest to goodness dire straights" will not receive help from the federal government. Yet we see on here individuals insisting government will change the laws so above average wage earners can be untouchable, and let flood victims rot. Sure they will. Chest pounding is a VERY good term, it's apt for such individuals who can do no more then just that, pound their chests.

 

[FA Mikey]

I am saying no such thing and you know it.

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No I dont know it. I responding to the exact questions you posed.

The U employees have been getting screwed with a steady stream of crap no one should endure. THAT was NOT the point.

[post="185424"][/post]​

No one is saying that U employees are not being screwed. On every front no less. But again you put forward the questions and then claim after you get a response you don't like. We didn't understand the question.

How insulting is it to be asked to subsidize future operations of your company through your own pockets.

Isn't it ironic that a state pension fund is trying to use the elimination of someone else's pension, to fund there own. The great state of Alabama, Hope there retirees remember the people who had to give up their pensions from U to make a better quality of life for there own.

It's life pal! You know where absolutely nothing goes as you "want" it to.

[post="185424"][/post]​

No question. Remember that statement when you are going on about people voting a certain way.

U is “probablyâ€￾ going to become history and fast, NO ONE knows.

[post="185424"][/post]​

No one knows for sure. Nothing saying its is 100% going to sink. Stranger things have happened.

But people should be able to make up their own individual minds on what to do, how to act without the interference from union talking heads on here trying to explain life to you and how you should listen to them and them only and if you don't you are up for the Darwin Award you are so stupid.

[post="185424"][/post]​

Not true. People need guidance. They need information. They will in the end make up there own minds. No one will vote on anything for them. In the end it will be each individuals decision.

This is very serious stuff which every U employee is facing and it should be left to each and every individual to do as they see fit minus all the noise generated by people who think they know how to run your life but can’t run their own. Such thinking is known as socialism.

[post="185424"][/post]​

Also known as fear, and mob mentality. It will in the end be left up to the individual. One person one vote. We always though do have a choice.

 

[cavalier]

No one is saying that U employees are not being screwed. On every front no less. But again you put forward the questions and then claim after you get a response you don't like. We didn't understand the question.

How insulting is it to be asked to subsidize future operations of your company through your own pockets.

Isn't it ironic that a state pension fund is trying to use the elimination of someone else's pension, to fund there own. The great state of Alabama, Hope there retirees remember the people who had to give up their pensions from U to make a better quality of life for there own.
No question. Remember that statement when you are going on about people voting a certain way.
No one knows for sure. Nothing saying its is 100% going to sink. Stranger things have happened.
Not true. People need guidance. They need information. They will in the end make up there own minds. No one will vote on anything for them. In the end it will be each individuals decision.
Also known as fear, and mob mentality. It will in the end be left up to the individual. One person one vote. We always though do have a choice.

[post="185459"][/post]​

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Do what YOU want to do. I am nothing.......

YOUR choice, go to it.

 

[Borescope]

US Airways service was competively priced (actually, usually cheaper than Southwest) and they had the frequency of service I liked.

[post="185303"][/post]​

Southwest, isn't always the cheapest (we'll yes, the CHEAPEST in some senses). They are a lot more expensive in many markets, and you have to make 50 stops to get where you want to go. They have just done a great job at marketing and they have convinced the consumer that no one has less expensive tickets than they do. If that was in fact the case, then why wouldn't they let their fares be compared on some of the travel web sites with other carriers??

 

[funguy2]

Actually, the difference is that Southwest has a flatter fare structure... The super-cheap advance fares are extremely limited, they don't need to sell many because the walk-up fares are much much more reasonable, that they can sell more of their high end fares ($299 each way max) than legacy fare structures can ($1000+ oneway).

So its true, many many times the advance fare on the competition are cheaper than on Southwest. Southwest makes up the difference in the walk-ups and within 7day type fares.

And, usually, Southwest tries to prevent booking fares from point A to point B with multiple stops if there are multiple options nonstop or with one-stop...

 

[Borescope]

The company threatened liquidation during BK #1

[post="185313"][/post]​

The company uses what ever "tactic" it can when negoitiating with you. This was their tactic and your leaders fell for it. If you pay dues, demand that your "elected Reps" perform for you. Negoitate as best you can, but don't sell yourself short because someone says they are going to do something. Make them DO IT!! You don't have much to lose.

 

[Borescope]

So you are saying, what? The employees at U are like small children. There jobs are like toys and when their pay is being taken they are nothing but cry babies. That is a very insulting analogy.

[post="185400"][/post]​

But, it seemed to get the point across to at least one person

 

[PITbull]

Just a stupid question here...how can you quote pay for a 6 yr. Jet Blue F/A when the airline has only been in existence about 4 years?

P.S. I will be on that last flight PIT-PHL........

My best to you all....

[post="185357"][/post]​

Art,

The reason why I make this point is because we have only two classes left on our property that are 5 year f/as. And on Oct. 6, the one class becomes 6 years.

So, we can't compare 5 year f/a or 4 year with JetBlue, because those f/as have already been furloughed.

We use to be over 11,000 in population. We apresently sit at approx 5,400 and will decrease again with these proposals.

 

[Light Years]

You have to compare by what year of pay they are in. JetBlue WILL have six years F/As in a couple of years, and of course there are pay scales for all of them.

US Airways does not have any first, second, third, or fourth year F/As. They are gone, and there soon will not be any fifth year F/As either. With the next round of cuts, there likely wont be any F/As with under 7 years at US Airways (we are talking about actual US Airways here).