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E-trons did you not look at the link I posted to the newspaper article from the NYT in the paper?
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navc...rlines+and+amfa
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navc...rlines+and+amfa
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They'd lose big time," Mr. Delle-Femine said, adding that if United gave notice of a termination, the union would try to block it in court. "If they said, 'Let's sit down and negotiate this stuff,' I'd say, 'Let's see what the bankruptcy judge says first.' "
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Read the above quote.....That sure sounds like Delle-Femine is throwing the pensions away <_< ?????
I learned a few things about newspaper reporters after contributing to a few articles. Reporters will paraphrase your statements to liven the story up a bit even if your statement intended otherwise.
You remind me of the LAVMAN with all your righteousness
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The truth hurts..............so cowboy up !!
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Read the above quote.....That sure sounds like Delle-Femine is throwing the pensions away <_< ?????
I learned a few things about newspaper reporters after contributing to a few articles. Reporters will paraphrase your statements to liven the story up a bit even if your statement intended otherwise.
You remind me of the LAVMAN with all your righteousness
!!The truth hurts..............so cowboy up
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The second article was written by the NYT reporter, care to dispute that?
Just like a good amfa boy, keep trying to dodge the truth, go read the article and check the links I posted.
Why do you keep avoiding that?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/02/business/02air.html
Just like a good amfa boy, keep trying to dodge the truth, go read the article and check the links I posted.
Why do you keep avoiding that?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/02/business/02air.html
I have read all the articles and I am NOT disputing what is written. What I am disputing is the CONTEXT that is presented:700UW said:
(1) United said in a bankruptcy court filing that it viewed its pension plans "as untouchable unless there was no other choice." But that was before the government denied loan guarantees to United. O. V. Delle-Femine, national director of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, said he now feared the worst.
"You've got to gut the pension plans," he said. "I don't see any other way."
(2) The mechanics' plan has some similar issues. Its benefits are much smaller than the pilots', but a significant share of them were granted in 2002. The government does not fully cover benefits granted within five years of a pension termination. So part of the mechanics' most recent raise would disappear if the plan went to the government.
"They'd lose big time," Mr. Delle-Femine said, adding that if United gave notice of a termination, the union would try to block it in court. "If they said, 'Let's sit down and negotiate this stuff,' I'd say, 'Let's see what the bankruptcy judge says first.' "
Don't you find it a bit curious that these two statements by Delle-Femine appear in the same interview???? They contradict each other do they not????? Maybe YOU should read the articles again.
Furthermore, calling me AMFA boy shows your true IAM mentality.....I guess your drivers license is equal to my A&P license as one of your cohorts crowed at a local meeting some years ago :down:
I did some research last winter on the TWU-AMFA battle over at AA. AMFA talks a good talk, but when you look at the overall focus of the organization leadership, they seem far more interested in acquiring more dues-paying members than taking care of the ones they already have.insp89 said:
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mweiss,mweiss said:
Do not equate "organizing drives" with not focusing on dues paying members.
Your view is really "narrow in debth and thought", and vague and presuming.
Part of unions functions are to have organizing drives in order to grow the business and increase membership. There is strength in numbers.
Unions are a business, just like any other business. Although they are not profit motivated.
No. My comment was, I'll agree with that. I'd have to go and dig up the stuff I found out last winter to get the supporting data if it's that important. Suffice it to say, I didn't come up with this one in a vacuum.PITbull said:
The one thing I remember being very surprised about was their budget. I forget the details, but I just remember that an insane percentage of dues went to the membership drives. It was way out of whack when compared to other airline unions.
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Amazingly enough they(iam) is holding steady and keeping the stand closed. But the reopening excuses are already being filtered thru to the shop stewards. The AGC's are saying we are our own worst enemies. In other words they are saying if enough members continue to whine to management that they are willing to give some more, that they will be obligated to reopen the contract for the 4th TIME! :angry: Also within days or possibly hours after the airbus dispute is settled (only in our favor) they will have meetings with lakefield set up to reopen the ole stand. :down: The iam/amfa dispute at Usairways is currently a dead issue so I won't waste time debating that one. The excuses are circulating stand by for the pathetic outcome.local 12 proud said:
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That’s odd; I recently received a letter from the IAM by 'R. Roach' with a postage prepaid ‘authorization’ postcard inside. Considering that (since we have lifetime recall rights) it would take every active member and about another 1000 or so laid off members to meet the 50%+1 rule, it does seem like a waste of money. But what the heck, it’s not my dues money.mweiss said:
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