United Mechanics file for Representation vote!

[Bill]

Let's get Hoffa and Delle in a debate. That might sway some votes for amfa.............NOT!!!

 

[MCI transplant]

It just crawls up your a$$ that this lowly ramp rat has the audacity to analyze and state the facts regarding AMFA's abysmal performance. Over the years, large numbers of AMTs had no problem at all in exercising their rights of free speech when making disparaging and unsubstantiated remarks toward other work groups. Well, what's fair for one is fair for all; wonderful country we live in where EVERYONE has the right to free speech in the public domain. So, for me, this is sweet revenge.

<_< ------ Hey aa! Have you spoted those school bus yet???

 

[AMFAMAN]

aafsc,

I know you are not 100% TWU supporter, but trying to get thses folks on here to find fault in any other union but the TWU is a waste of time. It's too easy for them to blame the TWU for their problems....for the whole industry's problems.

Wow, Bill finally came up for air.

Bill, the twu is our union, so yes they are the cause of our problems.

 

[TWU informer]

Wow, Bill finally came up for air.

Bill, the twu is our union, so yes they are the cause of our problems.

The way I read it, Bill, CIO, and AAFCS, are all the same person.

I can find plenty of fault with AMFA, but because of fools who never could grasp the idea of all mechanics in one union and 1,000 plus A&P Licensed SCABS, the AMFA idea has not yet been tried so I will not be in declaration of any failures on that front as of yet.

However, on the other hand, I have 24+ years of TWU representation and that entitles me to detailed faults and failures of that idea based on first hand experience.

The truth is that if Bill, CIO, and AAFSC were to hold the TWU to the same standard that he holds AMFA to in the industry then he too would be pointing out TWU faults. But the case with him is that he knows much more about other unions in the industry that he does about the TWU because he lives in fear and has the head buried in the sand. Not to mention about three incomes coming from AA/TWU which no doubt has a huge influence in his inability to see or view the weakness and failures right in front of his face.

Remember, AMFA filed at AA also and the NMB didn't let us vote.

This fiiling will lead to a similar result.

By the way, the TWU Local 514 Officer Election is now under full investigation by the Department of Labor for violations of Federal Law. Let's see what comes from that before we compare anymore apples to the orange. From what I know the long time Admin. Secretary of the Local better have a good lawyer.

 

[Vortilon]

It just crawls up your a$$ that this lowly ramp rat has the audacity to analyze and state the facts regarding AMFA's abysmal performance. Over the years, large numbers of AMTs had no problem at all in exercising their rights of free speech when making disparaging and unsubstantiated remarks toward other work groups. Well, what's fair for one is fair for all; wonderful country we live in where EVERYONE has the right to free speech in the public domain. So, for me, this is sweet revenge.

Disparaging and unsubstantiated? I think not. All we had to do is point out the facts at AA. Fleet Service has in the last 20 or so years; tried to take, and with much success, as many former AMT responsibilities as possible. All courtesy of the great enabler the TWU. Everything was tilted towards favoring fleet service from the tuition reimbursement for AMT training to retaining a station staffing formula for fleet service only. The list goes on. What part of that is disparaging or unsubstantiated?

You're the one with the chip on your shoulder for past wrongs put on you by AMFA supporters? Now you're getting payback right. Gimme a break! Talk about unsubstantiated. <_<

 

[TWU informer]

aafsc,

I know you are not 100% TWU supporter, but trying to get thses folks on here to find fault in any other union but the TWU is a waste of time. It's too easy for them to blame the TWU for their problems....for the whole industry's problems.

Round and round and round they go....where they'll stop....no one knows!!

If the TWU has represented me for 24+ years, and thus I am burdened with anti-democratic appointed or fraudulent elected leadership and hence are my problems. Who else besides the TWU should I blame for these problems? Now that is a fairly straight forward and simple question. Do you think you could muster a simple answer to that?

 

[AMFAMAN]

Who else besides the TWU should I blame for these problems?

This is usually about the time they tell you to blame yourself or the membership. <_< If that doesn't work, it's almost always followed by--"if you don't like it, leave."

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

aafsc,

I know you are not 100% TWU supporter, but trying to get thses folks on here to find fault in any other union but the TWU is a waste of time. It's too easy for them to blame the TWU for their problems....for the whole industry's problems.

Round and round and round they go....where they'll stop....no one knows!!

Ah, the simpleton has returned to drool more gibberish.

Faults with other unions other than the twu? No union is perfect. But a good union is structured that if a problem exists that problem can be addressed and corrected. One of those abilities is holding ALL union official positions elected positions by the membership... not appointment. Your attempt to make exisitng problems at AA in the twu as the membership's fault indicates that you are competant to type at a keyboard as you are dictated to.

There is no "round and round" going on. Well, only in your multiple alias persona.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------Hey aa! What's going on here? Theses aren't exTWAer's criticizing you! They are all nAAtive Americans, from all over the system! Could it be that maybe you could be wrong about all this? No!----- Not you! You got the facts! You've got it all figuered out!-----:down:

 

[aafsc]

Well, at least you are honest about your motives, That said we can judge your posts accordingly.

AAFSC saw big cuts in pay but seeks "sweet revenge" against other workers who may have been verbally abusive but never took a dime out of his pocket.

aafsc claims that everything that happened "on AMFAs watch" is AMFAs fault, even if the incidents cited were enabled by language that was inserted by the ousted AFL-CIO union that preceeded AMFA and the RLA prevented AMFA from changing it. The fact is that all workers have suffered under the watch of "AFL-CIO unions", while they have done nothing, yet he doesnt blame them. The AFL-CIO makes the claim that their members unions stand as one, but time after time they have failed to deliver.

AMFA brought mechanics pay up by $10/hr, over 30% while those workers who only had AFL-CIO unions representing their class and craft oly saw half that(after a decade of no real increases). As a result, unlike AAFSC our hourly rates are still higher than they were prior to 2000(not including benifit cuts which AAFSC also gave).

They (AMFA supporters) may not have taken money out of my pocket; but if they could they sure as hell would! Remember TWU Informer's position that FSC and agent wages are "subsidized"? That's funny considering he is not even an A&P and makes about $20,000 more in salary a year than the highest paid welder in his trade (on land) not to mention the fact that he gets a pension for life, retiree medical, other benefits, and passes; I think it is safe to say that his fellow welders don't receive any those retirement benefits. If the AMFA supporters had their way, they would have ramp and agents PAY AA for the privelage to work there and then demand that that money be given to them. Remember what happened at NW when AMFA tried to get NW management to take even more concessions from the IAM members (ramp and agents) so AMFA give less or not at all? I know you will say that is was a lie on behalf of the IAM and NW; but given AMFA's decades of verbal incontinence towards the ramp, I am compelled to believe the IAM/NW version.

Bob, how did the RLA prevent AMFA from changing the "preceding language inserted by the AFL-CIO union"? From reading various sources, it appears to me it was changed with a percentage farmout cap ( I believe it was 38%). NW started farming out overhaul after this contract went into effect with the closure of ATL. I have kept myself informed of our contract negotiations and have been told that ALL articles are negotiated. If this is the process during negotiations, then anything that could have allowed the massive farmouts at NW should have been crushed by AMFA. However, you are right about the other unions being a failure. I have plenty of venom for the IAM which I will reveal at another time. As for the TWU, I agree with most here about the problems at the top; it seems all the unions are the same. As I have said before, the industry should have been shut down at EAL but the other airline employees and their unions were salivating at the prospects of getting EA assets and advancing their careers. I said then that in 15 years they will come for all the others, I was proven right and I am glad I am here today to remind everyone.

Finally, you are right that AMTs got more increases than we did. The AMFA supporters should be ecstatic; more for them, less for ramp

 

[aafsc]

<_< ------ Hey aa! Have you spoted those school bus yet???

I must have missed them. Looks like the TWA population went from about 20 at the time the transaction was announced to between 80 and 90 today; quadruple the original amount. And they are ALL under me!!!

 

[aafsc]

The way I read it, Bill, CIO, and AAFCS, are all the same person.

I can find plenty of fault with AMFA, but because of fools who never could grasp the idea of all mechanics in one union and 1,000 plus A&P Licensed SCABS, the AMFA idea has not yet been tried so I will not be in declaration of any failures on that front as of yet.

However, on the other hand, I have 24+ years of TWU representation and that entitles me to detailed faults and failures of that idea based on first hand experience.

The truth is that if Bill, CIO, and AAFSC were to hold the TWU to the same standard that he holds AMFA to in the industry then he too would be pointing out TWU faults. But the case with him is that he knows much more about other unions in the industry that he does about the TWU because he lives in fear and has the head buried in the sand. Not to mention about three incomes coming from AA/TWU which no doubt has a huge influence in his inability to see or view the weakness and failures right in front of his face.

Remember, AMFA filed at AA also and the NMB didn't let us vote.

This fiiling will lead to a similar result.

By the way, the TWU Local 514 Officer Election is now under full investigation by the Department of Labor for violations of Federal Law. Let's see what comes from that before we compare anymore apples to the orange. From what I know the long time Admin. Secretary of the Local better have a good lawyer.

No. Bill, CIO, and aafsc are not the same person.

 

[aafsc]

Disparaging and unsubstantiated? I think not. All we had to do is point out the facts at AA. Fleet Service has in the last 20 or so years; tried to take, and with much success, as many former AMT responsibilities as possible. All courtesy of the great enabler the TWU. Everything was tilted towards favoring fleet service from the tuition reimbursement for AMT training to retaining a station staffing formula for fleet service only. The list goes on. What part of that is disparaging or unsubstantiated?

You're the one with the chip on your shoulder for past wrongs put on you by AMFA supporters? Now you're getting payback right. Gimme a break! Talk about unsubstantiated. <_<

I believe that anyone can/could have avail/availed themselves to the tuition reimbursement program for A&P training; not just fleet service but also stock clerks, building cleaners, automotive and facility maintenance. It is possible that non-union people could have also utilized the program. I also believe that program has been discontinued (not sure). As for station staffing, I don't know what you are talking about, we have lost a multitude of stations. PDX, RNO, MAF, AMA, LBB, BUF, ISP, CVG, CLE, PIT, LIT, OMA, SYR, SHV, SLC, OAK, CLT, ALB and maybe more that I can't remember. And we will probably lose more in the future.

 

[aafsc]

<_< ------Hey aa! What's going on here? Theses aren't exTWAer's criticizing you! They are all nAAtive Americans, from all over the system! Could it be that maybe you could be wrong about all this? No!----- Not you! You got the facts! You've got it all figuered out!-----:down:

Yes, I do have it all figured out. Some can't accept the illumination of their favorite organizations' failures; I don't expect them to; but I enjoy pointing them out. FWIW, nAAtives have been debating each other looong before you TWAers got here; whether it be AMT vs AMT or FSC vs FSC.

 

[TWU informer]

Hey Bill,

Maybe it is the Evil Republican's that are the cause of TWU sucking so bad? Maybe Trent Lott is why we do not have any accountability? Maybe Newt Gingrich is the reason our union leaders are appointed or elected by fraudulent elections?

Maybe George W. called for the Department of Labor to swoop into Oklahoma and investigate the complaints and allegations of Federal Law violations regarding the Local 514 Officer elections?

Just a thought.

I am still awaiting your version of who is to blame for the Mechanic and Related demise at American Airlines.